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Hmmmm. This is a first or second...

...time in which I am going to agree with Mary Anne.

Sorry, but she is right. Yours and Lee's approach completely discards the innocent until proven guilty bit and so even though you really, really, really think someone did it - but they didn't do it - they could be subject to torture or what have you because of the urgency of a particular case.

Mary Anne correctly points out that this would lead to abuses and it would. The law is weighted to protect the innocent - in this case you two are both forgetting that a suspect, too, is innocent until proven guilty and needs to be equally protected. If, for example, someone found a dead Marxist professor killed within a stone's throw of your home and four of his young students were missing* and suddenly the police review your posts here and put you as the most likely suspect - would you want to be tortured even though you are completely innocent? If you were to die under torture, would the fact that they were trying to save innocents be any consolation to your wife and kids? I think not. Would a "Sorry, we were just trying to save some young kids lives and we had a special court order" be satisfactory after they find the real murderer two weeks later?

If a black man was found dead on Lee's campus*, would he want Davin or someone else who thinks he is a racist to be able to finger him to police and apply torture because he is really, really, really sure it was Lee who is guilty?

No, senseless death is a tragedy. But rage and emotion due to the age of a victim, and going ballistic on a suspect does not help the legal system or insure you will save the victims.

Each of us, including our children, are served by the presumption of innocence. As soon as you discard that, you, Lee, me and the children around us will not benefit.

I can think of a lot of ways such a thing could be horribly perverted by law enforcement to induce confessions from petty criminals, or even worse, to threaten and blackmail political opponents, harrass supporters, journalists, bloggers - you name it. Judicial corruption is not unknown and even special court orders could be obtained without merit. The quantity of abuse versus the benefit would be staggeringly weighted towards abuse and misuse.

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*Yes, these are contrived scenarios - but I had to personalize it so that you both could really see how easily abuses could occur.

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