Above and beyond your claim about the irrelevancy of their condition, age and etc- I still don't have any data to support your claim. A link please, or you can simply retract your claim.

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Its not like Iraq cared about the environment- do you think that the folks might just have dumped them into a trench and written off after their life-cycle was done? long before sanctions and etc? It seems like ancient circa WWI style chemical weapons does not really extend into a case for pre-emptive self defense.

* They are saying around the first Gulf War. And they are saying the shells are still usable.

* No, we have not found huge stockpiles, but we have not finished looking. That Iraq weapon parts are showing up in Jordan is disturbing. There is just too much evidence to state that Saddam did not have WMD before we ousted him. When it is all over and if they say there were never any WMD, then I will accept that, but it is not over and no one, not even dear Donald can claim for certain they did not exist.

So, we are 80 miles away from cuba Does that make florida or the US a communist state in league with castro? (actually, given the damage bush has done to our country, maybe florida IS in league with castro!)
Again, so what!? this is pretty damn near a non-squiter.

*Who your neighbor is, and what they are up to, makes a big difference. Replace Cuba with North Korea and see how you feel about relative distance.

*Also Geography makes a difference. Is it easier for Mexicans to come into the US or into Europe? The US, of course. Why? Because they are close to each other. Iraq and Afghanistan are almost next door neighbors.

"This evidence came to light last week. I guess you missed it."
Got a link (yet again)?

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* Here is some interesting reading.

Yeah, in general he has to attack or we have to uncover an attack in planning or in progress in order to claim self defense. Sort of how that goes, you know. There are plenty of folks in life I thought might like to take a poke at me, but I don't go around busting everyone in the mouth. Otherwise, I' be writing this from prison.
Besides, if you can't exhibit Iraq as a threat to the US at all, then you don't even have basis to cclaim that he *might* have attacked us.

*With Al Qaeda at his back door, contacting him, and possibly residing in his country, and with his history of WMD, and Al Qaeda and 9/11. The threat was there.
It wasn't blind faith. Between Saddam's history and the evidence, that was enough
Saddams history does not show him to be a threat to the united states. He HAS proven to be a threat to his neighbors. We had that threat thouroughly in check. Case-in-point, he didn't do a damn thing to his neighbors during the 10 years of inspections, sanctions and our troops in the area.

*We wouldn’t let him do anything those ten years, not anything we could see. There were some no-fly-zone conflicts between him and us.

Because a few thousand miles away in the Sudan millions are dying (at the hands of islamic militias none-the-less!) and we are not doing a damn thing- not even making any noise or applying any real pressure. And even if our current regime could be inspired to aid, every shred of our military prowess is committed right now, thanks to a very poorly excuted, justified and concieved war that we had no business doing.

*I agree with you. Something needs to be done in Africa. I have stated that here several times. Africa is a mess.

It can't be slective, REB, and be genuine and humaniarian. I bet you don't know a damn thing about whats happening in the sudan. You don't care. Admit it. Iraq was a feel-good political expediency driven by ideology and a simplistic view of the real war on terror. You were sold by an aggressive PR campaign, which you bought, and in order to avoid the discomfort and moral doubt, you will continue to protest the simple and empirically undeniable facts that have come to light. (No Bio, chem or nukes. No al-qaeda collaboration, nothing.)

*I still disagree with you on that last part. There is evidence of WMD and Al Qaeda ties. At this point in time you just can not accurately make that claim.

Yeah, its pretty hard to argue when all you have to defend yourself is endless repitition of the conviction that we did the right thing and acted in self defense without any substantial basis to your claims.

*No, it is tiring to argue with such closed minded people stuck in a rut. If I had the time, I bet I could make you tired of arguing with me. Heck, i bet I have done it in the past :)

Point out where I said this? Do you have other lies to attribute to me? We might as well enumerate them all right now... Is this all you have left in the end, REB? No facts, nothing but belief and grade-school rhetoric attributing false things? Would you like to say 'Nyeah-Nyeah' now? Would that make you feel right?

*Actually, you have not said much lately here, but some of your 'associates' here have come very close to saying it.

Again, I find your not giving a rats ass about every other tyrant-inspired humanitarian disaster is indicitive of a real hypocrisy in your position.

*That is wrong. Do you just assume all conservatives do not care about their fellow humans. I do care and I have said we need to do something about Africa (A big mess) North Korea, Iran and others. But the world is a big place and we are just one country. Take them one at a time. Iraq was at the top of the list.

*I have hopes that Iran can be settled peacefully. The youth there wants freedom, and with a free Iraq on one side and a free Afghanistan on the others, maybe they’ll find their own freedom.

*North Korea is tricky. We don’t want to pissoff China. We do not want to go to war with China. We should pressure China into doing something about them. We have a decent relationship with China, lets use that.

*Africa is a big mess. I don’t know where to start. Ideas anyone.

*Yes I do care. I have always cared. I know that is not your typical view of conservatives, but some of us do have hearts and shallow pockets. We are not all blood sucking creatures of the night. Don’t paint us all with a wide brush. (Works both ways. I’ll try not to do the same).