"If only that were the truth.
"

And as long as you keep dragging this conversation out, it won't be.

maybe I'll start calling you "Sonny",

you can call me mightymouse or droopey dog or 'jackalope' for all I care. RL and I have learned many different things in our lives, and one thing I have learned is to ignore small people saying small things simply to try to taunt and bait. I don't hate you lindy, I don't dislike you- its just that you have rendered yourself not worth listening to or caring about.

"but a lot of it IS outside the box. "

I guess I could try, one last time, to teach you that science and reason is there to LOOK OUTSIDE the box, and find truth instead of reflections of self and fantasy- but its a waste to try to explain this. Again, you think that our lack of desire to tolerate Bullshit stemms from some flaw in our psyche. This isn't our problem. People here have been patient with you, they have done the numbers for you, they have tried to explain basic science and empiricism to you- its failed to get through.

"As for your "reason and logic" based on textbook reasoning, if Picasso and Edison had always thought that way, we wouldn't be living with the fruits of their creativity.

"

Chances are, the reason you are alive and the reason you didn't have to watch half your children die befor 5 years of age, and the reason you live without pain is the direct results of the labours of science and the creativity of scientists. Edison was the epitome of a rationalist. Your understanding of the relationship between art and science demonstrated in you dragging piccasso into this is heavy-handed and uninformed.

I enjoy your claims of knowing yourself contrasted with the deep self-ignorance of your own actions when you claim that you are not baiting RL. You are, many people have tried to point this out to you.

In essence, your behavior in this disagreement has grown more and more punitive and childish. I wish you would stop, I wish you would take note that you are doing the very same things you claim to be upset at others doing to you. I wish you would stop putting words in my mouth, and I wish you would stop 'playing pretend' and attributing positions to me that I don't take. (You are out-performing Mr. Brosz on the strawman index.)

But I expect that you won't. And as I said, your behavior isn't my problem.

DL