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Space/Science » in reply to re: Yeah, global warming is 'natural'

You know, if you were to take an hour to educate yourself...

You MIGHT be able to contribute to the discussion....

650,000 years! So, that's around 10 times the time period of modern humans: Homo sapiens. It's about 1/5 the time period of human family existance and 1/100th of the time from the extinction of the dinosaurs- which are thought to caused by an 6 kilometer wide impactor. And about 1/300th of the time from the last period of mass extinction [unlike the somewhat minor extinction of the dinosaurs]. And about 1/1000th of the period in which life evolved beyond the level of microorganisms.

And the point of that was?

So these finding claim to have determined that during this entire period of 650,000 years, today's levels of CO2 in the antarctic are 27% higher than at any time during this 650,000 years.
Of course in terms recent times [less than million ago] our current period of warming is a bit longer than the norm. And the record shows that CO2 increases follow a warming period and does increase throughout these periods. So that merely the length of time of the current warming could account for some of this increase. There is also no doubt that human activity is adding significant enough amount of CO2 to the atmosphere that it can be measured despite huge swings due natural seasonal variable of global CO2 levels.


The period covers 4 glacial cycles...

And the record shows that CO2 increases follow a warming period and does increase throughout these periods.

Nice try, the data show that there is a correllation between increased CO2 and increased temperatures. We KNOW that increased CO2 causes higher temperatures, we KNOW that the recent dramatic increse in CO2 can be attributed to human activities, we KNOW that the recent upswing in temperature is roughly what you would expect from this increase in CO2, we KNOW that we can expect things to get worse if we do not take action...

I do not KNOW why you and others insist on being so obtuse on this subject...

http://yosemite.epa.gov/oar/globalwarming.nsf/550d4b46b29f68a6852568660081f938/85256d7a00686a5a85256bfe0057a2be/Body/0.154A!OpenElement&FieldElemFormat=gif


There is also no doubt that human activity is adding significant enough amount of CO2 to the atmosphere that it can be measured despite huge swings due natural seasonal variable of global CO2 levels

The "huge swings due natural seasonal variable of global CO2 levels" is DWARFED by the long term increase:

http://www.climateark.org/vital/graphics/large/6.jpg


One small thing I wonder about is the amount CO2 levels added to Antarctic due to humans living in the Antarctic [something which did not occur other than at modern times]. I'm pretty sure, it's a tiny affect, but of this 27% is possible it's say some fraction is added?

Yea, that is what I would expect someone grasping at straws would wonder- these results have been measured in different places and with different methods- if you had bothered to educate yourself on the topic instead of covering your ears and screaming "NO NO NO!!!" YOU WOULD KNOW THAT...

One argument to this might be the dispersion of the CO2 and of the relative small population and human activity in the Antarctic. I put question would CO2 levels be lower in Antarctic if there was no human activity associated with this region [which doesn't mean it's limited to merely small amount of generators and snowmobiles].
The Antarctic lacks a carbon sink due to plant life, but I don't think I would say it's lacking a mechanism which functions as carbon sink- both poles cool ocean water which feeds into the oceans of the world and it seems to me that this could act as large carbon sink [though I can't recall anyone mentioning this and depending up how this works could further reduce any locally added CO2].


This data has been collected all over the world using different methods- they all show the same thing... If you arent going to educate yourself then dont bother the adults while they talk.

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