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Tony — 5/4/2009 5:06:43 PM (archived)

2003 article is the Atlantic
Most of the KSM stuff is now known to be rubbish.

Anyone who claims this is not a morally ambiguous issue is a fool.

The main issue is where you draw the line. Your line is way too far in the "I don't care what happens to those bastards so long as I'm safe" side for my liking.

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Party of No finds someting to say yes to: Torture - Buck Galaxy - 5/3/2009 7:10:01 AM
- Really? Wasn't the Republicans that hauled this issue to center stage. - TB - 5/3/2009 7:21:14 AM
  - This issue goes to the heart of American values. Shouldn't it be debated? - Bowser - 5/3/2009 3:32:40 PM
    - One bright spot. - RobVG - 5/3/2009 4:33:25 PM
      - re: Hmmm - Raoul - 5/4/2009 5:36:40 PM
      - I understand your point, but I doubt that it is true. - alcaray - 5/4/2009 1:54:43 AM
      - Very interesting point! - Bowser - 5/3/2009 5:35:06 PM
  - And on that "inconvenient truth" - TB - 5/3/2009 7:31:58 AM
    - I'm glad your are so proud to support the Grand Old Party of Torutre - Buck Galaxy - 5/3/2009 9:45:20 PM
      - Does whether something's true or not ever make a difference? (n/t) - TB - 5/3/2009 11:41:39 PM
        
        My Gawd - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 12:16:26 AM
      - Mke that the Grand Old Party of Torutre and Secessionists - Buck Galaxy - 5/3/2009 10:00:15 PM
        
        You're desperately ducking the main issue. - TB - 5/3/2009 11:44:23 PM
        
        I'm avoiding falling into the way you frame the debate - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 12:14:54 AM
        
        No. You're avoiding facts. - TB - 5/4/2009 12:50:41 AM
        
        Fact devoid. - Tony - 5/4/2009 4:23:44 PM
        
        Tell ya what... - TB - 5/4/2009 4:38:20 PM
        
        May I suggest you actually read a book or two on Interrogation Techniques - Tony - 5/4/2009 4:46:06 PM
        
        You don't want to touch it either. (n/t) - TB - 5/4/2009 4:52:19 PM
        
        P.S. Curious. Did you ever read the Kilcullen stuff? (n/t) - Tony - 5/4/2009 5:11:01 PM
        
        start here - Tony - 5/4/2009 5:06:43 PM
        
        Good article. - TB - 5/4/2009 5:15:52 PM
        
        I know you have been saying that it was - Jody - 5/4/2009 9:02:40 PM
        
        he did? - mobility - 5/4/2009 10:10:44 PM
        
        P.S. - TB - 5/4/2009 5:30:32 PM
        
        The Facts - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 1:55:47 AM
        
        Not even a good try. - TB - 5/4/2009 3:04:13 AM
        
        Google searches - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 3:14:36 AM
        
        As for Rick Perry... - TB - 5/4/2009 4:26:34 AM
        
        Sounds like you just went on record supporting sucessionists. - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 4:42:51 AM
        
        Do you actually know what secession is? - TB - 5/4/2009 5:27:37 AM
        
        New GOP Pledge of Allegiance - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 6:52:13 AM
        
        Yes and Texas tried to secede once already - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 5:31:48 AM
        
        Over the edge. - SDAI-Tech1 - 5/4/2009 6:35:46 AM
        
        Got it. I retract my objection. - TB - 5/4/2009 4:08:25 AM
        
        So any comments about torture with an agenda? - Buck Galaxy - 5/4/2009 6:36:12 AM
  - So Cheney never defended the use of waterboarding? Sorry, my mistake... (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 5/3/2009 7:25:54 AM
    - He didn't start this flap. - TB - 5/3/2009 7:38:35 AM
      - When Cheney says something crazy, does it matter who he responds to? (n/t) - alcaray - 5/3/2009 8:41:13 PM
      - By that logic - Buck Galaxy - 5/3/2009 4:54:07 PM

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