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That's a hell of a data dump, with parts of it pretty sparse on references. The Allan Rubin site is particularly weak in this area. I went through and looked up a few of the original references myself, and was satisfied that it was mostly accurate. As one example, here's the antihypertensive information you want to talk to your cardiologist about. Most information you need is probably on this site.

A lot of your formatting didn't work. I'm impressed at the effort, but I would have read the information just as fully if you'd just linked to it. I was amused that the "spends twice as much" figure from the Gagnon-Lexchin paper is duly quoted.

The problem with the financial statement - not the first I've seen by a long shot - is one that is mentioned in the Gagnon-Lexchin paper I was originally discussing. Most pharmaceutical companies merge advertising in with administrative expenses, with no way to separate them out. To its credit, the paper did try to winkle the correct numbers out of a broad range of data. My complaint was with how they assembled the data in the end.

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I don't have an ideal answer to this situation. The only alternative to market forces in medical care is political forces. Pick one. I have seen countries run both ways.

Someday, Eri, maybe you'll get what you want. A government monopoly on pharmaceutical research and manufacture. Elimination of those greedy pharmaceutical companies that have generated every damn miracle drug we use, including the ones in Europe who make most of their profits selling to America. There won't be any need for advertising, since there won't be competition and people and doctors won't have to fret about making choices. There won't be lawsuits since you can't sue the government without its permission. Products will not be decided on profit, but political pull, lobbying, and favoritism. All money will flow through the State, as is proper, and the State will decide the prices. And who gets the product.

The black market that fed products to so many deprived socialist nations back in the old days won't be an option. Those products came from us back then.

The big problem with the fall of the Iron Curtain is that there aren't as many examples nowadays of nations where the government controlled everything that was manufactured. But you're old enough to remember that people were not pouring into Eastern Germany for medical treatment.

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