When you read the words "government takeover of health care" you know immediately you are dealing with either spin artists or morons. Newsflash! The delivery system didn't change with Obamacare. The insurance companies still run the show. How you can claim there is a government takeover and that private insurance premiums are rising in the same sentence defies reason.

You made claims right from the start without links and you bitch at me when you can easily get the links on my charts by right clicking them? And yes I was showing numbers from the last decade for a reason: to demonstrate that health insurance premiums climbed by an average of 114 percent since 2000, prior to Obamacare. Sorry that went right over your head. And yeah, they continue to rise because insurance companies are still in charge. Unfortunately. Want to see premiums stop rising? Create a public option to compete directly with the bloodsucking private insurance companies.

The CBO has said prices would rise, but it's obvious prices would rise without Obamacare. The people who are blaming any rise now in premiums on Obamacare are the same people who screamed about death panels over a provision that would allow a patient discuss a living will with their doctor. But that happens when you substitute ideology for facts.

This conversation sickens me because the level of bullshit is so out of control.