Current Events — HabitableZone

Current Events » in reply to Getting Real with Relativism.

re: Getting Real, period

My goodness, I am impressed. Do you have this all memorized?

If by "denial" you mean disproving raving bullshit, you got it in one.

I seriously doubt 100,000 Americans went to Nicaragua just to film atrocities. From 1990 to 1996, an average of 300,000 American tourists in total visited Nicaragua each year. I doubt the number was higher during the 1980s. Try and come up with numbers that at least are plausible.

In point of fact, the Kennan quote, is another standard piece of Leftist baloney, taken out of context. The original paper can be found here, and comments on the misleading quote can be found here.

I'd bet money you never read this paper, and I'd bet money that Ahmed didn't either, sucking a quote and reference directly from good old Chomsky. The quote as you present it:

We have about 50 per cent of the world’s wealth, but only 6.3 per cent of its population... Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming… We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction... We should cease to talk about vague and... unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we will have to deal in straight power concepts.


The actual quote, before the famous "Maureen Dowd Text Selection Technique":

Furthermore, we have about 50% of the world's wealth but only 6.3% of its population. This disparity is particularly great as between ourselves and the peoples of Asia. In this situation, we cannot fail to be the object of envy and resentment. Our real task in the coming period is to devise a pattern of relationships which will permit us to maintain this position of disparity without positive detriment to our national security. To do so, we will have to dispense with all sentimentality and day-dreaming; and our attention will have to be concentrated everywhere on our immediate national objectives. We need not deceive ourselves that we can afford today the luxury of altruism and world-benefaction.

For these reasons, we must observe great restraint in our attitude toward the Far Eastern areas. The peoples of Asia and of the Pacific area are going to go ahead, whatever we do, with the development of their political forms and mutual interrelationships in their own way. This process cannot be a liberal or peaceful one. The greatest of the Asiatic peoples—the Chinese and the Indians—have not yet even made a beginning at the solution of the basic demographic problem involved in the relationship between their food supply and their birth rate. Until they find some solution to this problem, further hunger, distress, and violence are inevitable. All of the Asiatic peoples are faced with the necessity for evolving new forms of life to conform to the impact of modern technology. This process of adaptation will also be long and violent. It is not only possible, but probable, that in the course of this process many peoples will fall, for varying periods, under the influence of Moscow, whose ideology has a greater lure for such peoples, and probably greater reality, than anything we could oppose to it. All this, too, is probably unavoidable; and we could not hope to combat it without the diversion of a far greater portion of our national effort than our people would ever willingly concede to such a purpose.

In the face of this situation we would be better off to dispense now with a number of the concepts which have underlined our thinking with regard to the Far East. We should dispense with the aspiration to “be liked” or to be regarded as the repository of a high-minded international altruism. We should stop putting ourselves in the position of being our brothers' keeper and refrain from offering moral and ideological advice. We should cease to talk about vague and—for the Far East—unreal objectives such as human rights, the raising of the living standards, and democratization. The day is not far off when we are going to have to deal in straight power concepts. The less we are then hampered by idealistic slogans, the better.


A bit different, ain't it?

I could rip most of the rest of your "facts" up like this, but I don't get paid for this. It would take twelve of me to keep up with the drivel. To save us all some trouble I suggest you stop quoting left-wing loonies directly and inspect some of the source material yourself.

BTW, you seem to have an obsession with Nicaragua. Most leftists got over it (after the initial trauma) when the Nicaraguans kicked the Sandinistas out on their commie asses.

Log in or register to post.

The whole thread (36 posts)