"Shouldn't such behavior be encouraged?"

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"Shouldn't such behavior be encouraged?"

Mary Anne — 9/3/2004 7:44:54 AM (archived)

Probably.

But it doesn't build political machines, and it doesn't win elections. Only tight party discipline does that.

So it depends: do we want diversity of opinion and independent leaders, or do we want unified conventions? A unified front is less confusing and more photogenic.

The Democrats used to be masters at machine politics, and then they got lazy because they were in power so long that they thought they didn't have to work at it anymore.

The Republicans, shut out from FDR to LBJ except for local pockets, had from the Goldwater debacle to practice machine politics. They are the masters now.

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Zell Miller on John Kerry. - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 9:11:54 AM
- re: You must pardon Zell Miller for putting National Security above being a good Democrat - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:23:29 PM
- Beldar comments... - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:35:22 PM
- Giving references - FrankC - 9/2/2004 3:19:31 PM
- Just shows that Kerry and the rest of the dems have changed quite a bit. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:02:40 PM
  - re: Oh sure that is what it is. Last year we just all decided to shift our views. Not as easy to swallow as Zell is a male prostitute for Republicans...is it... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 2:46:06 PM
    - man you Democratic nut cases are starting to hate everyone. - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:26:24 PM
    - Do you like swallowing the idea of Sen. Zell Miller as a male prositiute? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 3:52:47 PM
      - re:Got sexual issue to work thru? Please, take them to an other board. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/3/2004 8:20:43 AM
      - Don't ask that question to Barney Frank. =D (n/t) - Lee - 9/2/2004 7:51:55 PM
        
        So if Zell is a male prostitute, all questions should be referred to Barney Frank? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 8:17:12 PM
        
        Nevermind, it was a bad joke anyway. (n/t) - Lee - 9/3/2004 1:21:15 AM
- He got it right last night. - REB - 9/2/2004 12:08:00 PM
  - re: He "changed" his "opinion" around this time last year. And Bush and himself have called our troop "occupiers"...You wanted to hear what he said and it didn't matter if truth was there at all. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 2:55:12 PM
    - Miller changed when Tom Daschel tried to hold up the Homeland Security bill because it didn't contain collective barganing provisions. - Scott Evil - 9/2/2004 6:31:34 PM
    - He has seen the truth now. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:07:19 PM
      - re:Who's truth? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:13:48 PM
        
        That Kerry is not fit to be the Commander-and-Chief. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:24:27 PM
        
        re: Fine because by Zell's logic then Bush and Cheney are also not fit to be Commander-and-Chief ... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:31:37 PM
        
        No, Zell made it very clear he though Bush and Cheney are fit to be Commaner-and-Chief - REB - 9/2/2004 3:33:03 PM
        
        re: He changes him mind to suit the advantage to himself...your point is not there... (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:34:46 PM
        
        Pissing off his party is not an advantage to himself. - REB - 9/2/2004 3:42:32 PM
        
        re: A clue: Who's convention did he speak at? (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 4:03:43 PM
        
        Yes- that should tell you something. - REB - 9/2/2004 4:06:33 PM
  - At least Leiberman is still supporting his party. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 12:20:03 PM
    - If McCain had given the keynote for the Democrats, the left would be treating him like a hero. - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 5:05:57 PM
      - re: If McCain had given the keynote for the Democrats, he would have been thrown out of the Republican party. - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 7:38:15 AM
      - And you'd be saying they were desperate..... - Tony - 9/2/2004 6:34:26 PM
    - He's putting the country ahead of his party - Larry J - 9/2/2004 2:38:03 PM
      - "Shouldn't such behavior be encouraged?" - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 7:44:54 AM
      - re: He's putting his own self interest ahead the country and of his ex-party (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 9/2/2004 3:33:17 PM
        
        He's retiring from the Senate and apparently all politics this year - Larry J - 9/2/2004 5:20:26 PM
    - Sort fo like Jeffords? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:03:18 PM
      - That makes no sense, Ed. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:09:33 PM
        
        How? Jeffords was a hero, in the media/dnc's eyes for leaving the party - ebnelson - 9/2/2004 1:14:34 PM
        
        Jeffords left his party over an issue, special education, that meant a lot to him. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:20:11 PM
        
        And defense of the nation isn't an important issue? - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 4:53:40 PM
        
        What does that have to do with the price of pomegrates in Calcutta? - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:49:19 AM
        
        Yes. And we are less safe now. (n/t) - Bowser - 9/2/2004 8:44:29 PM
        
        Honest Question: Is McCain for Veep a myth or a truth? - Tony - 9/2/2004 6:47:42 PM
        
        Actually, I don't know. - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:53:42 AM
        
        Wheels spinning: lemme see... what makes Kerry look worse? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/2/2004 6:56:10 PM
        
        Governor Miller values the future of his family over his party. - REB - 9/2/2004 1:39:56 PM
        
        That's fine. He should quit the party, then. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 1:49:22 PM
        
        Maybe he should. - REB - 9/2/2004 1:59:20 PM
        
        He won't, though. Not yet. - Mary Anne - 9/2/2004 2:11:53 PM
        
        Mirror principle again. - SDAI-Tech1 - 9/3/2004 12:59:40 AM
        
        Another one making no sense - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:31:15 AM
        
        Are you doing very local things again, Mary Anne? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/3/2004 3:42:31 PM
        
        Yes, I am. I went to the grocery store just yesterday. - Mary Anne - 9/4/2004 12:31:19 PM
        
        Another one making no sense - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:31:12 AM
        
        Shills - Tom Brosz - 9/2/2004 4:58:42 PM
        
        How many of them spoke from the podium? - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 3:41:30 AM
        
        re: How many of them spoke from the podium? - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 5:08:40 AM
        
        How do you get your head to do those things? - Mary Anne - 9/3/2004 6:26:17 AM
        
        re: How do you get your head to do those things? - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 7:04:35 AM
        
        I think a majority of Republicans realize that this (anti-stem cell research) is a Luddite view - alcaray - 9/3/2004 3:48:02 PM
        
        re: I think a majority of Republicans realize that this (anti-stem cell research) is a Luddite view - gbaikie - 9/3/2004 10:14:29 PM
    - RE: At least Leiberman is still supporting his party - REB - 9/2/2004 12:28:40 PM

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