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Jody, it never hurts to touch base with reality from time to time

It's not hard to do what Tom did, start with the point you want to make, in this case yet again "government is evil!" and "government=enslavement", and then to work backward to fabricate a definition that will "prove" it. Anybody can make shit up.

Or you could respect cause-and-effect and rational thinking, and, oh I dunno, maybe look up an objective definition of slavery. A dictionary might only give it a sentence or two, but here's a wikipedia paragraph that gets the job done:

Slavery is a system under which people are treated as property to be bought and sold, and are forced to work.[1] Slaves can be held against their will from the time of their capture, purchase or birth, and deprived of the right to leave, to refuse to work, or to demand compensation. Historically, slavery was institutionally recognized by many societies; in more recent times slavery has been outlawed in most societies but continues through the practices of debt bondage, indentured servitude, serfdom, domestic servants kept in captivity, certain adoptions in which children are forced to work as slaves, child soldiers, and forced marriage.[2] Slavery is illegal in every country in the world, but there are still an estimated 27 million slaves worldwide; some opponents are hopeful that slavery can be eradicated by 2042


Gee, no, sorry, Tom, that doesn't sound much like the definition of being a citizen in the first constitutional democratic republic, even the plutocracy-being-born we live in today.

And for bonus points, you might actually compare that definition of slavery to the country we live in, and conclude we're at risk of enslavement by somebody other than the big bad guvmint.

Compare that definition to our country today, and think about how the only things that distinguish our world from SlaveWorld are laws that regulate the relationships between business and people, especially employers and employees. Laws against child labor, captive labor ("company towns" and "company stores" that relieve workers forced to live there of their entire paychecks), dangerous working conditions, compulsory long hours, arbitrary firing, starvation wages. We once had strong laws that protected the right to unionize, but those have been all but destroyed by Republicans, effectively undermining the ability of people to "refuse to work, or to demand compensation". As consumers, we're protected from slavery by laws that rein in deceptive financial practices, like toxic mortgages and credit cards given away like cheap trinkets in cereal boxes, that enslave people in "debt bondage". You're really not any freer if the Guido breaking your arms works for "private industry" instead of the government. (Come to think of it, these days government is likely to outsource thuggery to private industry, so maybe, never mind.)

But the point is, everything I mentioned in that paragraph relates back to a part of the definition of slavery. And it's only the consumer protection and labor laws that Republicans despise so much that keeps the master at bay.

I've always found that reality forces you to think, while trite partisan fantasies like Tom's just smother thought in empty jingoism.

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