I'm not being facetious, but I do want to hear it.

ER — 1/30/2007 4:53:06 PM (archived)

I missed it. I know you feel that way, but I still don't understand what exactly it is you think caused this change. "Where it originated and from who". Is it a deliberate manipulation, a complex result of interacting social forces, or what?

As you and I have discussed before, I do agree to a certain extent that there is a growing skepticism in American self-perception, that it is no longer as consistently self-laudatory as it was in, say, the 50s. I do not agree it is as powerful or influential a force as you do, and don't think it is a negative development at all. I also disagree when it started. I first noticed it late in the Vietnam era. There were critics before, true, but critics in the mainstream (as opposed to small groups of activists) began, I believe,with the publication of the Pentagon Papers. By the time of Watergate, it became an established phenomenon.

I'm really not trying to pull your chain on this, I'm curious as to how and when you think it started.

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American Experience - The Berlin Airlift - Bowser - 1/30/2007 6:07:00 AM
- Incidentally... - TB - 1/30/2007 3:39:55 PM
  - I remember a Liberal Political Science professor telling me the Berlin Airlift was a complete waste of resourses. - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 10:53:28 PM
  - re: After Communism, religious fanaticism - Raoul - 1/30/2007 9:28:42 PM
    - If Europe got religous, I might become an atheist. - Scott Evil - 1/31/2007 10:54:46 PM
  - I'm not being facetious, but I do want to hear it. - ER - 1/30/2007 4:53:06 PM
    - On Cuba... - TB - 1/30/2007 8:46:01 PM
      - re: On Cuba... - ER - 1/30/2007 9:23:14 PM
        
        I think you accomplished that. - TB - 1/30/2007 10:07:20 PM
        
        apologists? - R.L. - 1/30/2007 10:22:42 PM
        
        Clarification... - TB - 1/30/2007 10:36:04 PM
    - I've beaten this to death already in the past, but... - TB - 1/30/2007 5:57:42 PM
      - People have ideas. The ideas spread from person to person. - alcaray - 1/30/2007 7:15:00 PM
      - Or maybe - Laurie Street - 1/30/2007 6:55:38 PM
        
        What's fascinating about the "Don't Trust Government" bit... - TB - 1/30/2007 8:00:06 PM
        
        re: What's fascinating about the "Don't Trust Government" bit... - Laurie Street - 1/30/2007 8:45:30 PM
      - I do recall now our discussing this before. - ER - 1/30/2007 6:23:27 PM
        
        We've been over this ad infinitum... - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/31/2007 12:14:27 AM
        
        "If at age 20 you are not a Communist..." - TB - 1/31/2007 8:35:24 AM
        
        re: "If at age 20 you are not a Communist..." - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/31/2007 10:46:13 PM
        
        I think you might like to know... - ER - 1/31/2007 1:07:41 AM
        
        Cool! - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/31/2007 2:23:12 AM
        
        She took the fall, all the way to Tehachapi... - ER - 1/31/2007 2:43:45 AM
        
        re: She took the fall, all the way to Tehachapi... - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/31/2007 3:17:55 AM
        
        Origins - TB - 1/30/2007 6:38:14 PM
- re: Truman - TB - 1/30/2007 3:36:39 PM
- ER's Korean theory. - ER - 1/30/2007 2:22:34 PM
  - re: ER's Korean theory. - Bowser - 1/30/2007 5:58:34 PM
    - The 38th parallel also goes through the San Francisco bay area. - ER - 1/30/2007 6:28:20 PM
      - Serves much the same purpose... - TB - 1/30/2007 6:44:09 PM
        
        You're incorrigible. - ER - 1/30/2007 6:54:22 PM
        
        Actually... - TB - 1/30/2007 7:53:51 PM
  - Token military support - Laurie Street - 1/30/2007 4:52:17 PM
    - And an update... - TB - 1/30/2007 6:06:30 PM
    - Correction - Laurie Street - 1/30/2007 4:54:55 PM
      - re: Correction - ER - 1/30/2007 6:07:39 PM
- And Vietnam was different from Korea how? - Lee - 1/30/2007 8:59:20 AM

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