Re: The rationale for torture.

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Re: The rationale for torture.

Bowser — 3/15/2007 11:24:18 AM (archived)

The excuse used for torture, the only excuse, is the "ticking bomb" rationale, if information is needed immediately to prevent an immediate threat.

Torture to extract confessions to be used in criminal proceedings is not condoned by civilized societies. In fact, it is one of the defining characteristics of a civilized society that torture isn't allowed. Those that do are not considered well by more evolved members of the world community.

Confessions extracted by torture are not considered reliable. It is possible to make any human being in the world confess to anything.

I note your post addresses none of these considerations, is instead an ad hominem attack, the kind of thing one might expect from someone who espouses torture.

Think about it.

Arf

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From your CIA and DoD: "Military: Suspected 9/11 mastermind confessed" - Bowser - 3/15/2007 1:46:01 AM
- I also helped Oswald shoot JFK, if anyone's interested... (n/t) - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed - 3/16/2007 12:08:45 AM
- Oops! Nabbed and tortured the wrong Mohammed - Eric - 3/15/2007 9:41:19 PM
- A question on torture... - TB - 3/15/2007 6:56:28 PM
  - Answer. - Bowser - 3/15/2007 7:44:45 PM
    - Link. - Bowser - 3/15/2007 7:48:15 PM
  - Good question........but how would you know? I think --redacted-- so there (n/t) - Tony - 3/15/2007 7:15:29 PM
  - re: Good question... he tells us what we want to hear...And he tells us what we don't want to hear... - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 3/15/2007 7:03:46 PM
- He killed 3,000+ people on 9/11. - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 3/15/2007 5:31:19 PM
- After three years of torture he finally signed at the dotted line as requested. (n/t) - Jack Herer - 3/15/2007 12:18:09 PM
  - It IS curious... - McFly - 3/15/2007 4:29:05 PM
    - I think you've lost your mind... - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 3/15/2007 5:35:47 PM
      - Then maybe someday I could become President... - McFly - 3/16/2007 4:36:59 PM
    - Please remember... - TB - 3/15/2007 5:30:43 PM
      - Nobody said he was a nice guy - Tony - 3/15/2007 7:18:41 PM
  - Examples of how the toughest of Americans respond to torture. - Bowser - 3/15/2007 1:47:14 PM
  - Where is it even mentioned that he was tortured at all, let alone for three years? - Daniel - 3/15/2007 1:35:55 PM
    - Now you can apologize. Pretty much have to. - Bowser - 3/15/2007 3:24:05 PM
      - I don't know whether the ABC story is tru or not... - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 3/15/2007 5:41:12 PM
      - OK, and also I'll agree with this much: - Daniel - 3/15/2007 3:41:46 PM
    - Bowser makes it up as he goes along. - REB - 3/15/2007 2:55:04 PM
    - Nice try Daniel (n/t) - Jack Herer - 3/15/2007 1:38:46 PM
      - Khalid Sheikh Mohammed sounds very proud whenhe confesses - REB - 3/15/2007 3:02:54 PM
      - Take it to flame if you llike - Daniel - 3/15/2007 1:43:57 PM
        
        You're way out of control, Daniel. - Bowser - 3/15/2007 1:51:40 PM
        
        Please stop with the lies and misrepresentations - Daniel - 3/15/2007 1:59:31 PM
        
        Daniel is right - R.L. - 3/16/2007 3:10:52 PM
- Whereas you, of course, know that it was all an 'inside job' - Daniel - 3/15/2007 4:40:56 AM
  - There is another alternative. - ER - 3/15/2007 11:58:03 AM
    - Good point - Daniel - 3/15/2007 1:04:26 PM
    - re: There is another alternative. - TB - 3/15/2007 12:41:21 PM
    - And an additional wrinkle - Mary Anne - 3/15/2007 12:35:44 PM
      - He could be. - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 3/15/2007 6:13:54 PM
      - Seemling contradiction - Daniel - 3/15/2007 1:13:07 PM
        
        A note on capital punishment in the US - Mary Anne - 3/15/2007 1:59:20 PM
        
        Agreed on capital punishment - Daniel - 3/15/2007 2:11:10 PM
        
        re: Agreed - R.L. - 3/16/2007 12:56:57 PM
        
        So many wrinkles it's aging fast. - ER - 3/15/2007 1:54:28 PM
        
        Amazing stuff - Daniel - 3/15/2007 2:16:37 PM
        
        A couple ways of looking at this: - Mary Anne - 3/15/2007 1:52:47 PM
        
        Fascinating reading - Daniel - 3/15/2007 2:39:12 PM
  - Re: The rationale for torture. - Bowser - 3/15/2007 11:24:18 AM
    - Stop Slandering other posters on these boards - Daniel - 3/15/2007 1:00:35 PM
      - Speaking of slander, show me where Bowser said it was an inside job (n/t) - Tony - 3/15/2007 2:04:06 PM
        
        Sure, no problem at all - Daniel - 3/15/2007 2:35:10 PM
        
        True Believers see conspiracies everywhere. - Bowser - 3/16/2007 1:44:28 AM
        
        After what you posted all over this thread, I'm snide? (n/t) - Tony - 3/15/2007 5:36:49 PM
        
        I think..."I'm sorry, you were correct about Bowser" was supposed to be your response. - The Artist formerly known as Scott Evil - 3/15/2007 6:05:31 PM
        
        OK then - your comment wasn't "snide": - Daniel - 3/15/2007 6:04:46 PM
        
        I stand corrected - Tony - 3/15/2007 6:47:08 PM
        
        Get serious. - TB - 3/15/2007 9:28:24 PM
        
        I always forget - Tony - 3/16/2007 2:04:32 PM
  - Spot on! (n/t) - Buck Galaxy - 3/15/2007 6:50:58 AM

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