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You seriously need to switch to decaf. ;-)
SDAI-Tech1 — (archived)

It's real simple.

Nature operates with Phi so it can continue infinitely. That makes nature exhibit A in the question as to whether the macroscopic universe is finite or infinite in nature.

A finite universe in which energy springs forth into existence from nothing and disappears into nothing is fairly asinine on the face of it. But we don't need to guess or measure background radiation to make other WAGs about the "beginning" of the universe. We simply need to look around us very closely.

Nature's possession of Phi in it's structure, contrary to your assertions, gives us enormous insight into the function of the macroscopic universe. The universe is comprised primarily of matter and matter is just a complex form of energy. The properties of energy, therefore define the function of the macroscopic universe and can answer whether or not the universe is infinite or finite.

Whether we can play mathematical/conceptual games with ordinals, sub-infinities within greater infinities or other conceptualizations is neither here nor there in this instance. None of these are relevant to the observation at hand.

Again it's real simple.

Either nature is capable of reproducing itself infinitely or it isn't.

It's obvious it can and does.

It expresses a form of infinity that shouldn't exist in a finite universe that is made up of energy with a fixed beginning and a fixed ending.

Furthermore, if the energy that comprises nature on our tiny world in this microscopic corner of the universe is capable of infinite reproduction/regeneration - so, likewise,is the energy found in a galaxies or the greater macroscopic universe capable of such regeneration.

That's it in a nautilus shell.

;-)

PS
Sanka tastes like bad fast food coffee at first, but the taste can be acquired. Add a little French vanilla cream and it can even taste pretty good.

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