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Either America lives by the principles it espouses or it doesn't...

ARRELL — 6/30/2008 2:01:35 AM (archived)

Torture, holding people in prison for years without proof or trial, are NOT what we preach...

Either we act like the 'shining city on the hill' or we give up the pretense and wallow in the mud with the rest of them...

Which will it be?

You KNOW how history will judge our current actions- don't pretend you dont... the only reason you defend those actions is because doing the partisan thing is more important to you than doing the RIGHT thing.

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Does anyone think that Bush will clean up any of his messes? - Bowser - 6/28/2008 11:49:39 PM
- Psssstttt - Eri - 6/29/2008 2:25:21 AM
  - Where would you have put the prisoners? (n/t) - TB - 6/29/2008 4:44:50 AM
    - Drop 'em by parachute into their own countries. - Eri - 6/29/2008 7:02:26 PM
      - Ah. Kill them. As long as we're clear on what the enlightened approach is. (n/t) - TB - 6/30/2008 1:20:37 AM
        
        Or was that "release them to fight again?" I'm sure either approach is better than Gitmo. (n/t) - TB - 6/30/2008 1:32:19 AM
        
        What ever happened to fair trials? - Lindy - 6/30/2008 2:02:19 AM
        
        Either America lives by the principles it espouses or it doesn't... - ARRELL - 6/30/2008 2:01:35 AM
        
        re: principles - TB - 6/30/2008 5:47:16 AM
        
        Either you are faking ignorance or you REALLY don't know what you are talking about... - ARRELL - 6/30/2008 6:12:49 PM
        
        re: Either you are faking ignorance or you REALLY don't know what you are talking about... - TB - 6/30/2008 7:12:14 PM
        
        What a bunch of nonsence. - alcaray - 6/30/2008 8:23:02 PM
        
        You left off the important part... - ARRELL - 6/30/2008 10:39:21 PM
        
        re: the important part - TB - 6/30/2008 11:06:42 PM
        
        "First, we have now apparently redefined "torture" as anything at all--anything--that makes a prisoner either physically or mentally uncomfortable." - alcaray - 7/1/2008 12:46:02 AM
        
        The statement is true. - TB - 7/1/2008 12:55:44 AM
        
        You made the allegation. (n/t) - alcaray - 7/1/2008 1:14:58 AM
        
        Read this carefully - ARRELL - 7/1/2008 12:26:23 AM
        
        Objective values & morals - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/1/2008 1:07:32 AM
        
        Giving your post a response in kind - SDUH - 7/1/2008 2:15:27 AM
        
        You give mirror writing a bad name... - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/1/2008 3:02:35 AM
        
        Why, I have no idea what you mean! - SDUMB-ASS - 7/1/2008 3:43:23 AM
        
        Ad hominem... - SDAI-Tech1 - 7/1/2008 4:57:05 AM
        
        Don't look at me- this is apparently between you and the Bulgarians now... - ARRELL - 7/1/2008 6:11:58 AM
        
        re: Read this carefully - TB - 7/1/2008 12:53:53 AM
        
        "Does it matter that the potential victims don't even get a vote?"- No, it really doesn't - ARRELL - 7/1/2008 1:30:43 AM
        
        Rationally, I agree with you. - TB - 7/1/2008 1:51:44 AM
        
        Then why do you keep defending what you KNOW is wrong? (n/t) - ARRELL - 7/1/2008 2:40:04 AM
        
        Why are you attacking? - TB - 7/1/2008 4:10:46 AM
        
        A New York Times article on the interrogation of KSM - TB - 6/30/2008 7:39:41 PM
        
        A lot of "these people" weren't guilty of anything, yet were held for years and then released. - alcaray - 6/30/2008 9:10:44 AM
        
        Monsters, using their conduct to justify one's own. - Bowser - 6/30/2008 6:03:10 AM
        
        "we've become the monster we were supposedly ridding the world of" - Lindy - 6/30/2008 1:53:28 PM
    - A ranch just outside Crawford, Texas. Some in Kennebunkport. (n/t) - Bowser - 6/29/2008 5:48:10 AM

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