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Sorry to be picking on you today Bowser...but since we are running out of actively posting bleeding heart liberals you will have to do.

First, communism is an economic system. People tend to confuse it with a broader social system, as the efforts to make communism work have been imposed upon chaotic, backward countries where a conventional democracy wouldn't work.

My Webster's unabridged will disagree with that assertion. Communism has 3 definitions, only one of which is an economic theory. The other two are the political movement which accompanies the efforts to implement such a system and the third being a reference to communalism in general.

"Communism" has been confused with the rather harsh political regimes which tried to institute the economic system. But "communism" is an economic, not social, system. Don't let 'em tell you anything else.

Ha. Ha-Ha.

The forced political economic philosophy of Marx is nothing but suppression of individual liberties by political means.
If you believe anything else, I've got a big bridge in Gorky Park to sell you.

If "capitalism" is a superior economic system it would have nothing to fear from being taught by a person with a different persuasion.

Only a half-truth. Yes, the dimbulb, selfish communists are no threat to John Q. American, but to his children who are still impressionable and look up to all adults as pillars of knowledge and experience - the communist in the classroom is a child-molester. Molesting their minds, teaching them to be selfish and believe in "equality" for all, and that the state must enforce this "unequal equality".

Yes, it exposes the real heart of Marx to say that communism is selfish. Dissatisfaction with one's lot in life breeds the terrorists that sponsored 9-11, but they are no different than the Bolsheviks under Lenin's bloody deathgrip on Russia. Yes communists are terrorists. They seek to steal property, wealth and freedom from others. Dress it up, however one likes, under the phrase "equality" - but communists are criminals pure & simple.

They try to point at capitalism and say it is the "evil selfish system" - when it is exactly the opposite. Capitalism is the only system which gives every man or woman the opportunity to excel infinitely. No enforced caps on earning, landholding or economic holdings.

Communism stifles all. Yet, amazingly the core proponents always live better than the rest - because they are really dictators - who tell others how to live and what they can and can't do, how much they can have. They are criminals.

One day you'll realize this...perhaps we will have to send you to live in China for awhile.


In reality, there is a place for communism. What system do people think would be used on multi-generational interstellar flights? Free enterprise? Doubt it. Jesus lived a communal existence.


Interstallar space missions would do well to incorporate a capitalistic freedom based system - otherwise they will all be utterly miserable - as all communists are.

Jesus was the son of King Herod who had been told by a sooth-sayer that his son will claim the throne and rule his kingdom. So Herod tried to kill him off as a baby. His mother had him secreted away to Joseph with instructions to enroll him with the Essenes. So as a young man he hid with the Essenic order or white brotherhood (no not the KKK) He was taught the folly of Jehovah and the barbaric nature of this old Babylonian remnant. When he was around thirty he left and made his appearance, teaching and public speaking - and generally pi--ing of the San Hedrim by undermining all their Jehovah gobbledy-gook.

Jesus was not a communist. He disliked the excessive greed of the money-lenders
and has the classic 'episode' where he goes berserk. So he then goes off to the hills and gets away from it all. He knows he lost it and so tries to regain the balance he lost.

There is no evidence to say Jesus was a communist or a capitalist. He lived a sheltered existence during his youth, but a spiritual one - not a communistic one.

Many of us can see that racism isn't an economic system, but a prejudice, a bias which absolutely unfair and criminal to practice. Actually, for most of the existence of this country history has been taught by subtle white supremacists. The contribution races other than European Caucasians has been minimized.

Yes, that's the popular PC version of events, I know that's what they would like you to believe now. But the reality is very different.

The slaves brought over were generally ignorant savages. They were killing eachother over in Africa - just like they do today - and were perceived, by the masses, as more animal than human. They had very little, almost nothing, in common with the African-American of today other than pigmentation.

Anyone running around naked like an animal, not intelligent enough to have even invented protective clothing, and having a society which consisted of thatched huts and which had absolutely no technocracy, whose only sport was killing neighboring tribes - would naturally be considered something less evolved than the rest of humanity.

So all these "evil europeans" saw very little "evil" in taking these folks out of the jungles and into a "civilized" world where they would be clothed, fed and protected from the elements, and live twenty or thirty years longer than their villagers back home in Africa.

At the same time they believed that in return for this gift of 'civilization' - they should get something in return - and this was slave labor. The "evil europeans" were not the first to incorporate slavery - quite the reverse - they were latebloomers. In Africa, slavery still exists - just as it has for thousands of years. The Africans see nothing wrong with it. In fact African-Americans have learned their hatred of slavery primarily from the same white-europeans who found it repugnant.

Ancient Egypt and the middle-east had nubian slaves over 2000 years before the europeans co-opted the practice. And as a matter of fact when white explorers first made contact and made friends with some of these tribes - they were often presented with slaves as gifts by the tribal chiefs!

Racism and prejudice has its root in experience and yes... in drawing direct comparisons.

It was ascertained and generally accepted up until around 1940 that some races were not as evolved as others. Thousands of texts declared this as fact. All the children of these times were brought up with this as a commonly accepted fact of life.

This assumption was based naturally on the technocracy of the cultures, their ability to control violent impulses and their IQ level and ability to understand advanced concepts.

Was this racism? Of course. Was it founded in realistic scientific data of the time? Yes.

To harshly judge anyone's european ancestors or the early practice of slavery with what it became later as the practice became more corrupt and decadent - or even with the present descendants of slaves today - is preposterous. A case of apples and oranges.

For those of you who don't know, creationism is a religious doctrine with only the most twisted, spurious scientific evidence. Creationism can be taught in religion classes, but doesn't have enough of a factual basis to be taught as biology.



Hope this helps.

Arf



Creationism has no scientific evidence at all to support it. It is taught in areas where religion is the fabric of the society and where little else keeps the people peaceful and united. Yes, often these areas have suffered from inbreeding and other distortions as perpetuad by Brigham Young and his self-serving religious delusions. America has pockets of these religious populations all over - and so creationism still can find local support in many of these areas.

Well...that's about all for now;-)

SDAI-Tech1

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Yes...even discussing slavery nowadays and the beliefs that were held which supported it - is bound to stigmatize one - just by mentioning these things. However as a historian - one can't let history get rewritten either, setting the stage for the same mistakes to be made again by people ignorant of the past.
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