You know everyone who worked on MECA? I don't think so...look at the list below*...

You know Stoker and Mckay and all the other people at all the companies and schools and at JPL that were involved? Anyway, I don't have any obligation to name people here. You go ask everyone you know who worked on MECA and ask who is a TMS member. Face it Barry you don't know how people work on engineering or science! The link at the new MECA site for "team" goes to the whole Phoenix Landed Team. Are you calling the webmaster there a liar?

Anyway I now include the Phoenix Landed itself in my question. So the question is: "I don't understand you at all. If you support Mars Society members work like the Phoenix Landed and MECA and think it's good science. Then why do you pick on us as non scientists or as living in a fantasy?"

The members of TMS are working on Science at Mars and always have.

*This is taken from the old website which you mentioned...

MECA is a partnership and collaboration between JPL, NASA, and international, industry, and academic partners.

Atomic Force Microscope via Micro and Nano System Technology (MINAST)

• Institute of Microtechnology, University of Neuchatel, Switzerland
• Institute of Physics, University of Basel, Switzerland
• Nanosurf AG, Liestal, Switzerland

Optical Microscope

• University of Arizona, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory
• Max Planck Institute for Aeronomy, MPAe, Lindau, Germany
• Ames Research Center, Moffet Field, California

Sample Wheel/Translation Stage

• Surface/Interface, Inc, Sunnyvale, California

Wet Chemistry Laboratory

• Starsys Research, Boulder, Colorado
• Orion Research, Beverly, Massachussetts
• Department of Chemistry, Tufts University, Medford, Massachusetts

Electrometer

• Kennedy Space Center, Materials Science Division

Patch Plates

• Planetary Society (Student NanoExperiment Challenge)

Science Investigators

• West Virginia University, Prof. Thomas Meloy, MECA Principal Investigator
• SETI Institute, Dr. John Marshall, MECA Deputy Principal Investigator

• Co-Investigators

• Jet Propulsion Laboratory:

• Dr. Michael Hecht,
• Mr. Mark Anderson,
• Dr. Steve Fuerstenau
• Dr. W. Thomas Pike
• Mr. Wayne Schubert

• Orion Research, Inc., Dr. Martin Frant
• University of Arizona, Dr. Peter Smith
• Max Planck Institute, Dr. Horst Uwe Keller and Dr. Wojtek Markiewicz
• Stanford University, Prof. Calvin Quate
• University of Neuchatel, Dr. Urs Stauffer

• Science Team

• Jet Propulsion Laboratory

• Dr. Martin Buehler
• Ms. Lynne Cooper
• Mr. Jason Feldman
• Dr. Sabrina Grannan
• Mr. Joel Rademacher

• Tufts University, Dr. Samuel Kounaves
• Orion Research, Dr. Steve West