the basics:

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the basics:

Daniel — 12/28/2004 3:15:17 AM (archived)

"The Case For Mars" (about 2 years ago),

and "Practical Methods for Near-Term Piloted Mars Missions"(PDF doc)

Why?

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Reasons - Raoul - 12/27/2004 9:00:11 PM
- An anti-imperialist view - louis - 12/28/2004 10:01:41 PM
  - re: An anti-imperialist view - ebnelson - 12/29/2004 5:13:36 AM
    - re: An anti-imperialist view - louis - 12/29/2004 7:16:23 PM
      - And the Mongols? (n/t) - ebnelson - 12/29/2004 10:45:08 PM
        
        Yes, and the Aztecs and the Egyptians, and the Mesopotamians, etcetera - louis - 12/29/2004 11:31:14 PM
        
        Okey dokey - ebnelson - 12/30/2004 4:40:04 PM
  - Yeah, nobody conquered anyone until Christianity showed up. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 12:37:26 AM
    - re: Yeah, nobody conquered anyone until Christianity showed up. - louis - 12/29/2004 6:59:06 PM
      - I repeat the previous comment. - Tom Brosz - 12/29/2004 9:35:03 PM
        
        I repeat mine - louis - 12/29/2004 10:36:09 PM
        
        re: Labels - Tom Brosz - 12/30/2004 1:06:37 AM
        
        re: Labels - ebnelson - 12/30/2004 4:41:19 PM
  - It's A Very Old Human Trait - Mark Eby - 12/29/2004 12:02:59 AM
    - re: It's A Very Old Human Trait - louis - 12/29/2004 7:43:09 PM
      - So explain away the early Islamic empires and the later Ottoman - ebnelson - 12/30/2004 4:44:11 PM
      - No, I'm Rejecting Your Application Of Prejudice - Mark Eby - 12/30/2004 1:58:18 AM
- Our purpose to expand into space is to propogate and protect Gaia - LJK - 12/28/2004 4:43:47 PM
  - re: Gaia - Raoul - 12/28/2004 6:18:34 PM
    - Then there is Metaman... - LJK - 12/28/2004 9:55:40 PM
      - re: Perhaps (n/t) - Raoul - 12/29/2004 6:29:12 AM
- Very interesting thoughts. Thanks - ebnelson - 12/28/2004 4:31:29 PM
- I'm sure you're with me on this - Daniel - 12/28/2004 12:21:21 AM
  - re: The politacal divide - Raoul - 12/28/2004 6:50:46 PM
    - re: The politacal divide - phil - 12/28/2004 8:44:59 PM
- Not so much "manifest destiny" as biological imperative - Tom Brosz - 12/27/2004 10:58:32 PM
  - You really do suprise me - Daniel - 12/28/2004 12:31:51 AM
    - Going To Mars Does Not Require Any More Than Going To The Moon - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 1:05:01 AM
      - even so .. - Daniel - 12/28/2004 1:23:55 AM
        
        The Purpose Of Life Is Creation - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 1:28:55 AM
        
        Ok, that's true. But it's too far-future for our present purposes - Daniel - 12/28/2004 1:40:54 AM
        
        That's The Problem With Setting Your Sites On A Resource Poor Destination - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 2:00:45 AM
        
        technology for in-situ survival on Mars - Daniel - 12/28/2004 2:34:37 AM
        
        Not Quite As Reliable As You Might Expect - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 2:44:17 AM
        
        Yes, Zubrin says the ChemE is just 19th century technology - Daniel - 12/28/2004 2:49:55 AM
        
        How Much About Zubrin's Plans Have You Read? (n/t) - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 3:09:20 AM
        
        the basics: - Daniel - 12/28/2004 3:15:17 AM
        
        re: the basics: - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 3:19:33 AM
        
        fair enough, what should I consider? - Daniel - 12/28/2004 3:32:27 AM
        
        Nothing Specific - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 11:58:05 PM
        
        (sorry, the 2nd link is a .doc, not PDF) - Daniel - 12/28/2004 3:17:33 AM
    - You make a good point... - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 12:45:42 AM
      - I still don't think so - Daniel - 12/28/2004 1:34:48 AM
        
        Tough places - Tom Brosz - 12/28/2004 3:27:16 AM
        
        Past Explorers Risked More & It Was Routine - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 1:42:50 AM
        
        Cultural change and risk - Nick Hoffman - 12/28/2004 4:40:12 AM
        
        True & False - Mark Eby - 12/28/2004 11:56:06 PM
        
        Obviously a Better "Writer" Than Eye ;-) (n/t) - Mark Eby - 12/29/2004 12:04:21 AM
        
        Religious and ideological motivation - Louis - 12/28/2004 9:47:42 PM
        
        re: motivation - Johannes - 12/29/2004 4:37:17 AM
        
        re: motivation - louis - 12/29/2004 7:30:09 PM

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