If you are old fashioned, does that make you a conservative?

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If you are old fashioned, does that make you a conservative?

Publius — 9/19/2006 3:25:24 PM (archived)

Whoa. I really never thought of myself as a conservative before, but I guess Pogo was right on, we have found the enemy and he is us.

I have long been entertaining the old fashioned idea proposed by John Locke that government's power to govern comes from the consent of the governed. And silly me, I truly thought that in this country the authority to govern was ceded to the government from the rights of the citizens. If this were truly the case, the government couldn't claim powers the citizens were not in a position to grant them. As an example, maintainence of a death penalty should not be available to any government where the citizens didn't possess the authority to kill people. Clearly, the concept here would be you can't give to your government something you not only don't have but never had.

The belief in the US Constitution, the form of government we are supposed to have is such an old fashioned idea. Does this make it a conservative idea? Lockean liberalism is deeply embedded in the provenance of both our Declaration of Independece and Constitution. It would seem this concept is an American idea and not just a liberal or conservative one.

So how come some states still want to Kill Bill?

Publius

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Real torture - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2006 4:22:53 AM
- Let's stamp it out. Maybe if we can catch a few of them and torture them... - alcaray - 9/18/2006 10:23:37 PM
  - George's "war" has stirred up generations of hate - Lindy - 9/19/2006 2:49:00 PM
- If all the US was doing was "making someone stand in an uncomfortable position" there wouldnt be a problem, or a discussion. (n/t) - Tony - 9/18/2006 3:49:27 PM
  - List of CIA techniques - Tom Brosz - 9/19/2006 1:29:13 AM
  - I actually agree with you on this. - REB - 9/18/2006 4:17:52 PM
- Whatever are you talking about? - David F Mayer - 9/18/2006 12:25:01 PM
- Sigh. Here we go again. - Bowser - 9/18/2006 5:00:21 AM
- re: Capital Punishment 25 years ago - Raoul - 9/17/2006 8:10:54 PM
  - How's the crime rate over that time? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2006 9:29:55 PM
    - re: From here - Raoul - 9/17/2006 10:09:31 PM
      - re: From here - Tom Brosz - 9/18/2006 12:20:21 AM
        
        statistics won't save you on this issue - FrankC - 9/18/2006 6:05:33 PM
        
        re: statistics won't save you on this issue - REB - 9/18/2006 6:17:03 PM
        
        If we can put a man on the moon.... - FrankC - 9/18/2006 8:05:11 PM
        
        Yeah, it's called death. - Lee - 9/19/2006 2:42:09 AM
        
        re: From here - Laurie Street - 9/18/2006 4:07:52 AM
        
        PS - Laurie Street - 9/18/2006 4:10:15 AM
        
        Actually, I was talking about France. - Tom Brosz - 9/18/2006 4:21:58 AM
        
        Sorry to interject a data point that doesn't fit your curve - Laurie Street - 9/18/2006 5:37:26 AM
        
        Personally, I'm not opposed to the concept of capital punishment... - ER - 9/18/2006 7:26:42 PM
        
        If you are old fashioned, does that make you a conservative? - Publius - 9/19/2006 3:25:24 PM
        
        I'm not quite sure what you're getting at, Mr P. - ER - 9/19/2006 5:47:17 PM
        
        Not discussing legal issues, philosophy, or morality... - Publius - 9/19/2006 7:37:27 PM
        
        Azstrummer, below, makes some good points... (n/t) - ER - 9/19/2006 9:59:52 PM
        
        me too....except.... - azstrummer - 9/18/2006 8:59:24 PM
        
        When I was in high school... - alcaray - 9/18/2006 9:19:31 PM
        
        Would you be willing to take that to the logical conclusion? - Lee - 9/19/2006 2:51:37 AM
        
        I think he does it to get a rise out of us - Lindy - 9/20/2006 1:57:44 AM
        
        Perhaps the solution is to reserve capital punishment for corporate crime. (n/t) - ER - 9/20/2006 11:04:29 AM
        
        So why the protest? - Lee - 9/20/2006 5:35:53 AM
        
        Sure, Lee - most murders are committed by males, so... - Laurie Street - 9/19/2006 4:28:06 PM
        
        Well he asked to be shown - Lee - 9/19/2006 7:14:58 PM
        
        Is that what that was about? - alcaray - 9/19/2006 8:43:24 PM
        
        Can't imagine a mind that would think that was the next logical conclusion. Charlie Manson, is that you? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/19/2006 3:36:29 PM
- Indeed it is horrific - Lindy - 9/17/2006 5:29:31 PM
- re: Real torture - azstrummer - 9/17/2006 5:23:24 PM
  - NA attrocities - FrankC - 9/17/2006 6:08:02 PM
    - re: NA attrocities - azstrummer - 9/18/2006 5:29:53 PM
  - History - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2006 6:00:58 PM
    - Definition of torture - Laurie Street - 9/18/2006 5:51:49 AM
- We should look to North Korea to set moral standards? (n/t) - Robert - 9/17/2006 5:10:29 PM
  - Saw that coming ten miles away. - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2006 5:55:54 PM
    - I was counting on it. - Robert - 9/17/2006 8:21:45 PM
      - re: Redux - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2006 9:23:26 PM
        
        re: Redux - Laurie Street - 9/18/2006 5:42:01 AM

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