Baloney

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Baloney

Mark Eby — 9/28/2006 2:06:35 AM (archived)

Compare the work the MER's have done in years to what humans could have done in months. Even Squyres who is please as punch admits there's a huge difference. I calculated it once for Sojourner and it was hugely in favor of humans. It's flat out obvious a human could have collected far more samples in far less time. Even a human on a Mars version of an ATV would have covered far more ground. Now the MERs have accomplished far more per dollar, but they are still constrained by the instruments they landed with and moved on rather than change investigation tactics to respond to what was found and learn more. It is also obvious there are places in victoria of potential interest that it can't go and a human could. Any dollar or time value divided by 0 is infinitely more effective.

The initial point stands. Robots won'tm go there with any complicated package or the ability to return samples any time soon.

Regards
Mark

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After many, many SOL's.... Victoria! - REB - 9/27/2006 12:46:37 PM
- Wonderful - Donald - 9/28/2006 12:49:59 AM
- Slopes are surprisingly smooth. (n/t) - Robert Clark - 9/27/2006 5:04:22 PM
- re: Let's go mountainclimbing! - Raoul - 9/27/2006 3:33:52 PM
  - Sorry We Sent Robots Not Humans - ID - 9/27/2006 4:54:54 PM
    - We will let robots mountain climb on heavenly bodies... - alcaray - 9/28/2006 8:22:41 PM
    - re: Sorry We Sent Robots Not Humans - REB - 9/28/2006 12:54:31 PM
    - What you get is 10% of the science result for 0.5% of the cost. Live with it. - pwokenyaw - 9/27/2006 9:21:28 PM
      - Unless You Got Your Numbers Backwards - Mark Eby - 9/28/2006 2:38:29 AM
      - Baloney - Mark Eby - 9/28/2006 2:06:35 AM
        
        Baloney back at ya - pwokenyaw - 9/28/2006 4:12:16 PM
        
        re: Baloney back at ya - Mark Eby - 10/3/2006 2:06:45 AM
        
        let's try it again - pwokenyaw - 10/3/2006 3:58:27 PM
    - re: Sorry We Sent Robots Not Humans - LJK - 9/27/2006 5:23:54 PM
      - You Didn't Think That Was My Point? - ID - 9/27/2006 7:21:47 PM
        
        Now THAT would be a great experiment - E.P. - 9/28/2006 12:42:30 AM
        
        re: Now THAT would be a great experiment - Mark Eby - 9/28/2006 2:12:49 AM
        
        re: Now THAT would be a great experiment - E.P. - 9/28/2006 5:28:03 AM
        
        Well The People That Plan Space Misisons Are Smarter Than You - ID - 9/28/2006 1:28:43 PM
        
        Okay: Drop the bedrest, but please try rappeling in a full 0-pressure suit real soon (n/t) - E.P. - 9/29/2006 3:46:51 AM
        
        re: First, it is not clear you would need to rapple there. Second, have you ever climbed rock and third, have you every wore a pressure suit of anykind? - Chris Vancil - 9/29/2006 7:49:14 AM
        
        re: Scott and Irwin did not go down the Hadley slopes.. - Raoul - 9/27/2006 9:43:53 PM
        
        Gee and how many months was he on the Moon? - Mark Eby - 9/28/2006 2:20:20 AM
        
        re: Gee and how many months was he on the Moon? - pwokenyaw - 9/28/2006 7:21:35 PM
        
        Reasonable Guesses - Mark Eby - 10/3/2006 2:12:07 AM
        
        re: Time, priorities and scale - Raoul - 9/28/2006 1:10:20 PM
        
        Hadley Rille is also 400 meters deep in places. - Jacob Samorodin - 9/27/2006 10:42:10 PM
        
        re:Future robots - Raoul - 9/28/2006 8:21:24 AM
        
        Why climb? - azstrummer - 9/28/2006 5:23:01 PM
        
        re: Agreed (n/t) - Raoul - 9/28/2006 5:51:23 PM
- My God! It's full of... sand! (n/t) - Laurie Street - 9/27/2006 2:42:35 PM
- Dissappointing - ID - 9/27/2006 2:35:33 PM
  - re: Dissappointing - Buck Galaxy - 9/28/2006 8:51:26 AM
  - re: Dissappointing - Delbert - 9/27/2006 6:37:37 PM
  - re: Wait until we get the whole picture (n/t) - Raoul - 9/27/2006 2:55:40 PM
- And from the Nav Cam - REB - 9/27/2006 12:49:46 PM
  - re: And from the Nav Cam - REB - 9/27/2006 12:51:02 PM
    - re: And from the Nav Cam - Tom Brosz - 9/27/2006 4:13:19 PM
      - re: And from the Nav Cam - REB - 9/27/2006 5:25:03 PM
    - re: Fantastic! (n/t) - Raoul - 9/27/2006 2:39:05 PM
      - Wow. Look at the ... sand - LJK - 9/27/2006 4:12:46 PM
        
        re: Around - Raoul - 9/27/2006 4:24:41 PM
        
        re: Around - azstrummer - 9/27/2006 5:38:35 PM

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