re: And, to continue,
I think it's time to move the discussion to a more respectable venue than Flame. OT might be good, because what we're talking about is only partly current events, and there isn't the pressure there to win or lose an argument. And take your time...the clock's not ticking, and developing a thesis is more important than rapidly lobbing back the rebuttal pingpong ball, in the kind of discussion we want to have.
Come to think of it, I'll bet that the higher traffic on CE contributes to the feeling of pressure on that board, simply because if you don't respond right away to a thread, it visibly moves down the page. You have to run harder to keep up on CE. So yeah, perhaps OT is the better choice for more thoughtful talk.