re: Ecosystems

nick hoffman — 2/11/2007 1:56:44 PM (archived)

Nuclear subs work fine for a few months

But they are NOT ecosystems

Try to run one for years, rather than months, or for decades, rather than years and you'll have all sorts of fungus infestations and selenium deficiencies...

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Cultivating life on Earth and elsewhere. - SDF - 2/4/2007 7:10:38 AM
- SEND COMPOST n/t - father earth - 2/5/2007 12:02:57 AM
  - "Mars Needs Earthworms." (n/t) - TB - 2/9/2007 3:32:22 PM
    - I vaguely recall that in Farmer In the Sky Heinlein had them farming on asteroids. - alcaray - 2/9/2007 6:13:48 PM
      - re: I vaguely recall that in Farmer In the Sky Heinlein had them farming on asteroids. - R.L. - 2/9/2007 6:54:36 PM
        
        re: Farmer In the Sky - TB - 2/10/2007 5:52:11 AM
      - It was a jovian moon, I believe... - R.L. - 2/9/2007 6:51:52 PM
- Don't make it too complicated. - TB - 2/4/2007 10:25:41 PM
  - Most colonization has been done so that people can prosper - SDF - 2/4/2007 11:39:45 PM
    - And how do you pay for it? - Sawyer - 2/5/2007 10:09:01 AM
      - Paying for it... - R.L. - 2/11/2007 9:17:50 AM
        
        Funding exploration yes, colonization no. - Sawyer - 2/12/2007 9:03:38 AM
        
        re: Paying for it... - gbaikie - 2/11/2007 11:05:36 AM
    - Most life on Earth is window dressing. - Lee - 2/5/2007 5:03:49 AM
      - 100 species? - Doug Ellison - 2/8/2007 11:47:58 AM
        
        Look at experiments on this theme, like the Biosphere - nick hoffman - 2/11/2007 1:42:21 PM
        
        And there's 50+ thousand people at the Super Bowl. - Lee - 2/8/2007 8:21:29 PM
        
        re: And there's 50+ thousand people at the Super Bowl. - Doug Ellison - 2/9/2007 11:27:52 PM
      - You wouldn't by any chance have a list of those 100 essential species, would you? - SDF - 2/5/2007 7:15:52 AM
        
        It would take a while to make a specific list. - Lee - 2/5/2007 9:20:18 AM
        
        re: It would take a while to make a specific list. - Laurie Street - 2/5/2007 4:58:35 PM
        
        That's why it failed. - Lee - 2/5/2007 8:28:07 PM
        
        Actually, it was a CO2 problem - nick hoffman - 2/11/2007 1:51:32 PM
        
        Seems like some of the problems with Biosphere 2 would have been easy to fix. - SDF - 2/5/2007 6:13:56 PM
        
        Boom and bust - Laurie Street - 2/5/2007 7:12:02 PM
        
        Ecosystems - TB - 2/5/2007 9:47:06 PM
        
        re: Ecosystems - nick hoffman - 2/11/2007 1:56:44 PM
        
        Wasnt it Heinlien that made the point that no matter how good your recycling is in a small closed system... - R.L. - 2/9/2007 7:32:11 PM
        
        Lint = Cellulose - Scott Evil - 2/9/2007 11:06:04 PM
- re: The time factor - Raoul - 2/4/2007 8:27:29 PM
- I believe you're absolutely correct. - Bowser - 2/4/2007 8:08:03 PM
- re: Cultivating life on Earth and elsewhere. - gbaikie - 2/4/2007 1:04:06 PM
  - Terraforming socialistic? - ER - 2/4/2007 1:54:58 PM
    - Terraforming Sahara desert. - REB - 2/7/2007 6:35:12 PM
      - What about just making it a salt water marsh? - Scott Evil - 2/7/2007 8:34:10 PM
      - What about just making it a salt water marsh? - Scott Evil - 2/7/2007 8:34:07 PM
        
        re: What about just making it a salt water marsh? - REB - 2/7/2007 8:39:51 PM
        
        You wouldn't need nukes or asteriod strikes. - Scott Evil - 2/8/2007 5:20:50 PM
        
        Open Atlas before Opening Mouth... - nick hoffman - 2/11/2007 2:51:14 PM
        
        re: You wouldn't need nukes or asteriod strikes. - REB - 2/8/2007 5:37:58 PM
        
        re: You wouldn't need nukes or asteriod strikes. - Laurie Street - 2/8/2007 9:24:45 PM
        
        Then what are we going to do with all that salt? - Scott Evil - 2/9/2007 4:01:48 PM
        
        re: Then what are we going to do with all that salt? - LS - 2/9/2007 5:02:30 PM
        
        re: Must have been. - Scott Evil - 2/9/2007 11:25:52 PM
        
        Tele-Transporatation - nick hoffman - 2/13/2007 2:12:52 PM
        
        re: What about just making it a salt water marsh? - Laurie Street - 2/7/2007 10:05:06 PM
        
        re: What about just making it a salt water marsh? - REB - 2/7/2007 10:28:17 PM
        
        Actually, the "natural" state of the earth is glacial - nick hoffman - 2/11/2007 3:00:49 PM
        
        The "natural" state of humans is glacial, too. - Fox - 2/14/2007 4:54:01 AM
        
        But the Sun is gradually warming - REB - 2/12/2007 5:00:30 PM
    - re: Terraforming socialistic? - gbaikie - 2/4/2007 3:05:59 PM
      - re: Terraforming socialistic? - ER - 2/4/2007 3:30:17 PM
        
        re: Terraforming socialistic? - TB - 2/4/2007 10:38:30 PM
        
        re: Terraforming socialistic? - ER - 2/4/2007 11:28:26 PM
        
        re: Terraforming socialistic? - gbaikie - 2/5/2007 10:56:09 AM
        
        re: Terraforming socialistic? - TB - 2/4/2007 11:50:45 PM
- Tired of people implying technology is bad or humans are bad for using it - Sawyer - 2/4/2007 11:40:45 AM
  - Who needs von Neumann machines? - ER - 2/4/2007 12:08:19 PM
    - Not required--Just a predictable accelerant to the process (n/t) - Sawyer - 2/4/2007 12:14:11 PM
      - Just a Berserker thought... - ER - 2/4/2007 1:49:41 PM
        
        Off the topic of the thread - alcaray - 2/5/2007 7:07:39 PM
        
        Not familiar with it. (n/t) - ER - 2/5/2007 9:01:48 PM
        
        re: Not familiar with it. - alcaray - 2/5/2007 9:24:00 PM
        
        Self replicating doesn't mean it has to evolve - Sawyer - 2/4/2007 4:40:53 PM
        
        how do you keep something from changing over thousands of generations? (n/t) - alcaray - 2/5/2007 7:06:48 PM
        
        Multi-cellular automata? - ER - 2/4/2007 5:50:06 PM
        
        Evolution - TB - 2/4/2007 10:45:34 PM
        
        Carnivorous cows - Laurie Street - 2/5/2007 5:05:11 PM
        
        Just as long as they're not socialist carnivorous cows... (n/t) - ER - 2/5/2007 11:19:27 PM
        
        How about Revolutionary Cows? - TB - 2/6/2007 6:45:11 PM
        
        That was a riot! - Laurie Street - 2/7/2007 4:50:55 AM
        
        Bastille Bovines? Guerilla Guernseys? Liberal Longhorns? - ER - 2/7/2007 1:06:17 AM
        
        Or... - LS - 2/5/2007 5:12:29 PM

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