Of course, you're right.
And by the time either of us see or get to see unrefutable evidence, will an of us believe it?
I can think of MANY times we haven't been told the truth.

>"why aren't we seeing it?"

Because a lot of the technology was supposedly shifted from the military and National Security back out to the private sector, where it was developed in secret by defense companies on the public payroll. I remember a few years ago following the story of one such high tech company, their documents and the apparent denied access of ANY court to get to their records. That is one reason why so many people are fighting for disclosure, to bring this technology out into the open, along with an end to the subversion and secrecy.

Re the brain surgeon quote:
>"If he begins to show you images, notes on experimental data, graphs of tests with control subjects, etc. then you have a point."

Well, I have seen such documentation myself, ...graphs, analysis, declassified Airforce reports, redacted and blacked out official documents since 1947. Oh, I can see why SOME was kept secret up until the end of the Cold War, but is there really any reason to still be covering up the Roswell documents, for instance? If you even read the book by Timothy Good called "Above Top Secret", you'd KNOW there was something HUGE going on. I think you're being cynical Art, and just jerking my chain. If you won't look at the history of the cover-up and still maintain your stubborn stance that there IS no evidence, then I can tell you, you haven't been looking, or you'd be enetertaining the thought that we are bing had at someone else's expense. (And it's not mine.)

>"What you are confusing is the concept of evidence as applied to a court of law and evidence as required by the scientific process."

No, I'm not doing that at all. The idea behind Disclosure and the opening of our secret files is to bring about those scientific papers. The problem here is that it will loosen the grip of religion as a control among the masses and there will be a lot of pressure and probably law suits against the companies who have controlled the information (not oly from the public and but from their employees.)

As for the Dealey Plaza secret service men being called off, I hadn't heard of that, but why didn't any of those men talk? Or were they threatened? Of course Oswald wasn't the lone shooter, why would the Warren Comission close the files of their findings for 25 years un less they had something to hide? Weren't they even closed again after the 25 years was up?
One of our old posters from the old MSNBC boards worked on a book about the Kennedy assassination for over 5 years, pulling new clues as he went along. The information all points to a conspiracy and cover-up. he wasn't doing it for the fame or money but to find the answers to the dmise of our American democracy.

>"You do not bring up the topic to engage. You bring it up to convince so please stop that line. I don't know anyone on here that doesn't see through it."

That's pretty arrogant of you, telling me what I'm doing. Stop WHAT "line"?
Look at YOUR style of writing if you don't like mine.
EVERYONE has an opinion on here. This IS a discusssion board!
People ask me questions, I answer. I give them things to think about and follow up on.
I AM trying to be convincing enough to have you all look. Geesh.