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Robert — 5/10/2004 3:52:13 PM (archived)

There are degrees of autonomy at all levels. It's not a device for evading responsibility, but in fact the acceptance of responsibility by higher levels for granting autonomy to lower levels. Karpinski's guilty of misusing her autonomy, and her superiors are guilty of bad judgment for granting it to her. The chain of responsibility is not broken by autonomy at any level.

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Responsibility for abuse goes in a direct line down from, and up to, Rumsfeld. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 4:24:45 AM
- Nothing exposes how shallow your concern is like blaming this outrage on Rumsfeld (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 5:30:05 AM
  - To all three of you. . . - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 2:46:11 PM
    - re: Mind your blood pressure, J . . . - D. Spires - 5/9/2004 6:32:24 PM
      - Congratulations Dan - Tony - 5/10/2004 4:21:40 PM
        
        re: Why, thank you, Tony . . . - D. Spires - 5/11/2004 1:54:43 AM
        
        You are getting mean in your old age - alcaray - 5/11/2004 4:02:16 PM
        
        Nature's way of filling the void left by Ed (n/t) - Tony - 5/11/2004 4:21:40 PM
        
        The parallels struck me as well - alcaray - 5/11/2004 8:54:04 PM
    - Facts - Robert - 5/9/2004 5:04:40 PM
      - re: Facts - Justin Kelly - 5/10/2004 8:43:27 AM
        
        Principles - Robert - 5/10/2004 3:44:31 PM
        
        What is responsibility? - RobVG - 5/10/2004 4:28:14 PM
        
        Hoist on his own petard - Robert - 5/10/2004 6:26:26 PM
        
        re: What is responsibility? - Raoul - 5/10/2004 4:41:05 PM
        
        Disregarding the question of whether Rumsfeld should resign.... - Tony - 5/10/2004 3:07:21 PM
      - sysÂ·temÂ·ic : take it and run with it - FrankC - 5/9/2004 9:24:38 PM
        
        The prison didn't operate in a vacuum - Robert - 5/9/2004 10:11:47 PM
        
        re: When you hit the 'general' wall, you find the missing 'vacuum' . . . (n/t) - D. Spires - 5/10/2004 2:22:07 AM
        
        Karpinsky was a General - FrankC - 5/9/2004 11:32:02 PM
        
        So? - Robert - 5/10/2004 3:52:13 PM
        
        By that logic... - FrankC - 5/10/2004 10:22:40 PM
        
        Logic? - Robert - 5/10/2004 11:06:25 PM
        
        Vapors - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2004 7:15:40 AM
        
        Bingo! - FrankC - 5/11/2004 3:12:23 AM
        
        re: Bingo! - gbaikie - 5/11/2004 6:04:08 AM
        
        mucking up - FrankC - 5/11/2004 2:19:02 PM
        
        re: mucking up - RobVG - 5/11/2004 3:35:12 PM
  - Humans Rights Watch: Letter to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld (Jan 12, 2004) - Nick - 5/9/2004 12:27:25 PM
    - "There were things done to young boys" - Nick - 5/9/2004 12:47:28 PM
      - you forgot to add 'by Iraqi gaurds" (n/t) - Justin Kelly - 5/9/2004 2:29:47 PM
        
        Under whose command? *We* are in charge. Therefore, *we* are responsible. - Mary Anne - 5/9/2004 4:44:34 PM
        
        Abuse or voluntary? - FrankC - 5/9/2004 5:20:00 PM
        
        re: Age and consent - Mary Anne - 5/9/2004 10:46:46 PM
  - Rumsfeld gave up the Geneva Convention for a reason. - Bowser - 5/9/2004 12:02:17 PM
  - re: The Geneva Convention - Raoul - 5/9/2004 9:41:19 AM

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