Impossible: "A mature human condition needs to get past all versions of philosophical collectivism."

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Impossible: "A mature human condition needs to get past all versions of philosophical collectivism."

alcaray — 9/21/2004 6:30:07 PM (archived)

How do you decide what is right and what is wrong? Everybody does it all day, every day. And no two people will agree on everything. You want to live in a country ruled by law rather than man? Fine, but somebody has to define what the law is - and they certainly will be "forcing their beliefs" on those who would define the laws otherwise.

You, Tom, always define "the other guy's beliefs" as being forced on you. But you see your own views as right, so it does not fall under the same definition.

What about Christianity and Western civilization? Should we promote them? What about gay marriage? What a about popular or unpopular wars? Trade restrictions? Farms subsidies? Driving privilages? Water rights? Use of national parks? Private property?

If you want to call establishing law that defines what you may and may not do in society as "collectivism", then you and yours are just as guilty of it as anyone.

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"God bless the USA" - Art Martin - 9/20/2004 11:52:23 PM
- The tyranny of the pious majority. - Bowser - 9/21/2004 11:06:50 PM
  - As compared to the tyranny of the impious minority? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/22/2004 6:21:33 PM
- Suck it up, if you don't like it. And God Bless you, too. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/21/2004 8:05:48 PM
- re: "God bless the USA" - doghot23 - 9/21/2004 7:25:20 PM
- Why -- did it sneeze? - Fox - 9/21/2004 4:57:54 PM
  - Sneezing - LJ - 9/22/2004 4:34:51 PM
    - Judging from recent posts, I'd say the latter - Fox - 9/22/2004 11:01:37 PM
  - Very well-said. Thanks. - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 6:31:43 PM
- re: "God bless the USA" - REB - 9/21/2004 2:13:46 PM
- I secure enough in my beliefs to allow others to express theirs. - Lee - 9/21/2004 7:32:55 AM
  - I'm secure enough..... (n/t) - Lee - 9/21/2004 7:34:03 AM
- When you are totally comfortable with your atheism... - FrankC - 9/21/2004 1:11:07 AM
  - It seems many atheists are rather fascistic in their sensitivities. - ebnelson - 9/21/2004 8:07:28 PM
  - By itself it's not threatening - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 1:30:48 AM
    - Two different things - FrankC - 9/21/2004 4:48:34 PM
      - Not a bad outlook - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 5:24:47 PM
    - A modern phenomenon? Ever hear of the Scopes Monkey Trial? (n/t) - Lee - 9/21/2004 7:37:14 AM
      - It comes in cycles - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 5:01:36 PM
    - How about a coin with "In Allah We Trust"? - Bowser - 9/21/2004 3:43:50 AM
      - Ben Franklin wanted: "Mind your own business!" (n/t) - Publius - 9/21/2004 2:22:30 PM
      - re: .. sure, that would be better. (n/t) - Marcia - 9/21/2004 4:59:44 AM
    - As I pointed out elsewhere... - Tom Brosz - 9/21/2004 2:47:34 AM
      - re: As I pointed out elsewhere... - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 4:44:10 PM
      - Not an excuse. - Bowser - 9/21/2004 3:21:04 PM
        
        Ummm Bowser, where di he say that? - RNE - 9/21/2004 4:08:26 PM
        
        When your only response over many instances is a reference to others being just as bad - alcaray - 9/21/2004 4:24:53 PM
        
        Why I keep mentioning these things... - Tom Brosz - 9/21/2004 6:12:03 PM
        
        Impossible: "A mature human condition needs to get past all versions of philosophical collectivism." - alcaray - 9/21/2004 6:30:07 PM
        
        Sorry, there's way too much foundation that needs to be laid here. - Tom Brosz - 9/22/2004 12:12:01 AM
        
        Thats funny - alcaray - 9/22/2004 3:34:38 PM
        
        No American since Roosevelt has imprisoned an entire class of people, either. So let's not be smug about gulags. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/22/2004 7:19:15 PM
        
        You are correct. So why keep looking for these mythical folks? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/22/2004 9:06:25 PM
      - Agreed - RNE - 9/21/2004 12:50:53 PM
        
        Disagree on a point - Larry J - 9/21/2004 9:47:31 PM
        
        re: Disagree on a point, maybe not - RNE - 9/21/2004 11:59:36 PM
      - re: As I pointed out elsewhere... -thanks, Tom. (n/t) - Marcia - 9/21/2004 5:00:34 AM

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