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Sorry, there's way too much foundation that needs to be laid here.

Tom Brosz — 9/22/2004 12:12:01 AM (archived)

You have a very different definition of "collectivism" than I do. In your view, it's almost synonymous with "cooperation."

Without boring everyone to tears with a long dissertation on the subject, I can break it down into a few basics;

- If something is morally right or wrong for one person, it is also right or wrong for ten people, or a million.

- There is a hell of a difference between inquisitions and gulags, and automobile traffic laws.

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"God bless the USA" - Art Martin - 9/20/2004 11:52:23 PM
- The tyranny of the pious majority. - Bowser - 9/21/2004 11:06:50 PM
  - As compared to the tyranny of the impious minority? (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/22/2004 6:21:33 PM
- Suck it up, if you don't like it. And God Bless you, too. (n/t) - ebnelson - 9/21/2004 8:05:48 PM
- re: "God bless the USA" - doghot23 - 9/21/2004 7:25:20 PM
- Why -- did it sneeze? - Fox - 9/21/2004 4:57:54 PM
  - Sneezing - LJ - 9/22/2004 4:34:51 PM
    - Judging from recent posts, I'd say the latter - Fox - 9/22/2004 11:01:37 PM
  - Very well-said. Thanks. - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 6:31:43 PM
- re: "God bless the USA" - REB - 9/21/2004 2:13:46 PM
- I secure enough in my beliefs to allow others to express theirs. - Lee - 9/21/2004 7:32:55 AM
  - I'm secure enough..... (n/t) - Lee - 9/21/2004 7:34:03 AM
- When you are totally comfortable with your atheism... - FrankC - 9/21/2004 1:11:07 AM
  - It seems many atheists are rather fascistic in their sensitivities. - ebnelson - 9/21/2004 8:07:28 PM
  - By itself it's not threatening - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 1:30:48 AM
    - Two different things - FrankC - 9/21/2004 4:48:34 PM
      - Not a bad outlook - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 5:24:47 PM
    - A modern phenomenon? Ever hear of the Scopes Monkey Trial? (n/t) - Lee - 9/21/2004 7:37:14 AM
      - It comes in cycles - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 5:01:36 PM
    - How about a coin with "In Allah We Trust"? - Bowser - 9/21/2004 3:43:50 AM
      - Ben Franklin wanted: "Mind your own business!" (n/t) - Publius - 9/21/2004 2:22:30 PM
      - re: .. sure, that would be better. (n/t) - Marcia - 9/21/2004 4:59:44 AM
    - As I pointed out elsewhere... - Tom Brosz - 9/21/2004 2:47:34 AM
      - re: As I pointed out elsewhere... - Art Martin - 9/21/2004 4:44:10 PM
      - Not an excuse. - Bowser - 9/21/2004 3:21:04 PM
        
        Ummm Bowser, where di he say that? - RNE - 9/21/2004 4:08:26 PM
        
        When your only response over many instances is a reference to others being just as bad - alcaray - 9/21/2004 4:24:53 PM
        
        Why I keep mentioning these things... - Tom Brosz - 9/21/2004 6:12:03 PM
        
        Impossible: "A mature human condition needs to get past all versions of philosophical collectivism." - alcaray - 9/21/2004 6:30:07 PM
        
        Sorry, there's way too much foundation that needs to be laid here. - Tom Brosz - 9/22/2004 12:12:01 AM
        
        Thats funny - alcaray - 9/22/2004 3:34:38 PM
        
        No American since Roosevelt has imprisoned an entire class of people, either. So let's not be smug about gulags. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/22/2004 7:19:15 PM
        
        You are correct. So why keep looking for these mythical folks? (n/t) - alcaray - 9/22/2004 9:06:25 PM
      - Agreed - RNE - 9/21/2004 12:50:53 PM
        
        Disagree on a point - Larry J - 9/21/2004 9:47:31 PM
        
        re: Disagree on a point, maybe not - RNE - 9/21/2004 11:59:36 PM
      - re: As I pointed out elsewhere... -thanks, Tom. (n/t) - Marcia - 9/21/2004 5:00:34 AM

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