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Interesting.

Tom Brosz — 10/4/2004 9:31:43 PM (archived)

I could see Kerry going for the "Bosnia" route, which specifies that as long as no Americans are getting killed dropping bombs from thousands of feet in the air, it isn't a "real" war at all. I have to sit with my mouth open when idiots come at me with "nobody died from Clinton's military efforts."

As with Saddam's years of atrocities, the annihilation of Iraq down on the ground after Kerry's pullout will no longer be "news," except maybe to try and show that "Bush lost Iraq." Look at the mass graves that were filled while we flew our sorties after the first Gulf War.

If you want to get specific about it, I call a "pullout" anything that stipulates that we no longer want to win the war, but just get out of it. And whatever fig leaf Kerry decides to put on that, including "flyover zones" or anything else, it isn't going to be any less obvious than the helicopters being pushed off the decks of aircraft carriers after Vietnam, or the Demcrats in Congress stripping the support from South Vietnam back then and letting them twist in the wind.

Kerry has a long political history of appeasement, withdrawal, and surrender, and I don't see that pattern changing, no matter what he pretends to be. Had he had his way, the first Gulf War would not have been fought either, leaving Saddam in control of Kuwait, and his second nuclear weapons program unmolested. Where would that have left us now?

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Map of Iraq attacks - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 7:29:57 PM
- Don't forget scale. - REB - 9/30/2004 1:47:57 PM
- Coalition fatalities mapped out - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 12:17:58 AM
- reminds me of the blue/red county map - Tony - 9/29/2004 8:11:51 PM
  - population density? Naw. - alcaray - 9/29/2004 8:26:55 PM
    - The True Picture Requires Attacks Overlayed On Population Density Map - Mark Eby - 9/30/2004 2:05:00 AM
    - If you look closely there's a couple of mountain tops in the Kurd area that havent been attacked either. (n/t) - Tony - 9/29/2004 8:28:28 PM
      - Bet there's not much going on below sea-level, either. - alcaray - 9/29/2004 9:30:57 PM
        
        There seems to be something happening wherever there are American troops. - Bowser - 9/29/2004 10:53:09 PM
        
        Amusing. - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 10:31:02 PM
        
        Cor Blimey - Good stuff! - tony - 9/30/2004 5:54:45 AM
        
        Maps and times - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 3:46:52 PM
        
        You were doing so well. - Tony - 9/30/2004 5:43:28 PM
        
        Cut and run - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 7:58:16 PM
        
        Your opinion could well be correct - Tony - 9/30/2004 8:23:25 PM
        
        The bet is kind of a moot point since Kerry isn't going to win. ;) - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 8:47:17 PM
        
        Capitulation - Tony - 9/30/2004 8:55:29 PM
        
        I'll bet you (Tom) one thousand dollars. - alcaray - 9/30/2004 8:54:58 PM
        
        re: I'll bet you (Tom) one thousand dollars. - Tom Brosz - 10/1/2004 2:28:55 AM
        
        What sounds reasonable to you? (n/t) - alcaray - 10/1/2004 3:53:07 PM
        
        re: What sounds reasonable to you? - Tom Brosz - 10/1/2004 8:41:09 PM
        
        re: What sounds reasonable to you? - alcaray - 10/1/2004 10:40:58 PM
        
        Geez, this is getting to be work now. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/2/2004 1:00:12 AM
        
        how about... - alcaray - 10/2/2004 5:04:46 PM
        
        Getting close, but even the "no fly zone" arrangement would have qualified. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 10/2/2004 8:01:40 PM
        
        I think thaty something like the no-fly zone should qualify, don't you? - alcaray - 10/4/2004 5:22:18 PM
        
        Interesting. - Tom Brosz - 10/4/2004 9:31:43 PM
        
        The bet is impossible - alcaray - 10/4/2004 10:59:51 PM
        
        Addendum: The British Left - Tony - 9/30/2004 8:44:04 PM
        
        That's a whole different case... - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 8:52:20 PM
        
        No it isn't - Tony - 9/30/2004 9:02:56 PM
        
        Two Questions - REB - 10/1/2004 12:58:27 PM
        
        re: Two Questions - Art Martin - 10/1/2004 11:09:13 PM
        
        I done gone native, yeeehaaaaaw (n/t) - tony - 10/2/2004 1:26:41 AM
        
        Should Have Read More - Mark Eby - 9/30/2004 2:10:49 AM
        
        Don't confuse cause and effect about coalition troops attracting violence - Tom Brosz - 9/30/2004 3:36:18 AM
        
        Wow, thanks! - alcaray - 9/29/2004 10:43:44 PM
        
        Oil - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 11:05:37 PM
        
        Something to note... - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 11:07:01 PM
        
        Syria - Tom Brosz - 9/29/2004 10:46:54 PM

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