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re: Why Do So Many Equate Beatings and Death in Custody with Panties On The Head?

Mark Eby — 6/16/2005 12:39:55 AM (archived)

I have no problem with people questioning the tactics at Gitmo, they bother me even if I see them as a necessary evil. What I have a problem with is a fauilure to have any persepctive on how these rank compared to real torture. I think caling these tactics abuse would be reasonable. Whether it's legal or not questionable. Using the word torture while potentially technically correct lends a connotation that is not comesurate with the actual incidents. Under no circumstances do the incidents quoted come close to equating with death and I have zilch respect for the intellectual honesty of those making such comparisons.

Regards,
MArk

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Gitmo's fifteen minutes might be up... - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 8:08:13 AM
- Don't forget those who were prisoners of the North Koreans... - Larry J - 6/13/2005 1:16:54 PM
  - Of course. - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 2:53:09 PM
    - So everything short of what's shown in your examples... - alcaray - 6/13/2005 3:30:36 PM
      - re: Maybe we should put Whacko jacko in charge of Gitmo. - Scott Evil - 6/14/2005 5:48:03 PM
      - No, it shows that what is being described as "torture" is bogus - Larry J - 6/13/2005 5:11:38 PM
        
        questions too hard? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/13/2005 6:17:36 PM
        
        Too damned busy to bother with silly questions - Larry J - 6/14/2005 12:44:10 AM
        
        I stipulate that many people in the history of the world have been treated very poorly - alcaray - 6/14/2005 2:40:18 PM
        
        You must have led a very sheltered life - Larry J - 6/15/2005 2:29:37 PM
        
        They hang Marines from door frames by their wrists for hours as part of basic? - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 9:45:02 PM
        
        You'd be surprised what they do to Marine recruits (and Army ones, too) - Larry J - 6/16/2005 5:40:34 PM
        
        Oh It's Torture All Right - Mark Eby - 6/14/2005 1:48:27 AM
        
        I went through worse treatment in basic training - Larry J - 6/15/2005 2:27:42 PM
        
        You died in training? But got better? (n/t) - Tony - 6/15/2005 5:59:12 PM
        
        Why Do So Many Equate Panties On The Head With Death? - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 11:04:20 PM
        
        Why Do So Many Equate Panties On The Head With Torture? - Tony - 6/16/2005 4:02:40 PM
        
        There Were No Incidences Of Death Listed In The Original Sources Of This Thread - ID - 6/16/2005 4:42:00 PM
        
        re: There Were No Incidences Of Death Listed In The Original Sources Of This Thread - Tony - 6/16/2005 5:25:05 PM
        
        re: Why Do So Many Equate Beatings and Death in Custody with Panties On The Head? - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 11:32:29 PM
        
        re: Why Do So Many Equate Beatings and Death in Custody with Panties On The Head? - Mark Eby - 6/16/2005 12:39:55 AM
        
        No, but a lot of military members do die in training - Larry J - 6/15/2005 8:24:39 PM
        
        Woosh goes the point passing your head - Tony - 6/15/2005 9:09:15 PM
        
        No prisoner has died at Gitmo - Larry J - 6/16/2005 5:44:15 PM
        
        Focus, Larry, focus - Tony - 6/16/2005 6:39:13 PM
        
        Well, the original subject of the thread WAS Gitmo. - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 12:23:04 AM
        
        And now you are quoting Rush. - alcaray - 6/14/2005 2:42:00 PM
        
        Now You Dellusional - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 1:51:53 AM
        
        Rush was the one who started using "frat boys" to... - alcaray - 6/16/2005 3:12:28 PM
        
        Some People Can Think For Themselves - ID - 6/16/2005 4:36:39 PM
        
        Not a very informed post, my friend. - alcaray - 6/16/2005 4:59:15 PM
        
        It's easier than thinking... - R.L. - 6/14/2005 7:43:47 PM
        
        Is That Your Excuse? - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 1:57:57 AM
        
        Saddening and maddening, isn't it? - Sam F. - 6/15/2005 10:27:28 AM
        
        re: Saddening and maddening, isn't it? - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 10:33:53 PM
        
        Grammar correction - Mary Anne - 6/15/2005 11:50:25 PM
        
        Sorry MaryAnne Life Isn't That Simple - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 11:00:12 PM
        
        Trade-offs - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 12:29:38 AM
        
        On this one Rush is right. - Scott Evil - 6/14/2005 5:50:31 PM
        
        re: Oh It's Torture All Right - R.L. - 6/14/2005 8:56:58 AM
        
        re: Oh It's Torture All Right - Mark Eby - 6/14/2005 11:14:39 AM
        
        Face it. The left has lost it. - Scott Evil - 6/14/2005 6:01:40 PM
        
        Did you have an ounce of sorrow for these desperados? - alcaray - 6/16/2005 10:15:44 PM
        
        I'm sorry, is there an age limit on Middle Eastern fighters? - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 3:37:05 AM
        
        Were these "fighters", then? (n/t) - alcaray - 6/17/2005 3:05:38 PM
        
        Do you care? - Tom Brosz - 6/17/2005 10:59:11 PM
        
        One of them was not even a teenager when we took him. - alcaray - 6/18/2005 1:06:28 AM
        
        If honey and dates were the worst, then you'ld be right. (n/t) - Tony - 6/13/2005 5:19:44 PM
        
        re: the worst - Tom Brosz - 6/13/2005 6:16:22 PM
        
        Nixon didn't have to resign because of any war. - Mary Anne - 6/13/2005 7:02:04 PM
        
        I was there. - Tom Brosz - 6/14/2005 4:31:59 AM
        
        So was I. In fact, I watched the hearings. - Mary Anne - 6/14/2005 6:33:00 PM
        
        I Think Tom's Out On A Limb On This One. - Mark Eby - 6/15/2005 2:00:40 AM
        
        re: out on a limb - Tom Brosz - 6/15/2005 4:31:39 AM
        
        Drugs and the embittered remnants of old-school liberalism - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/15/2005 1:59:57 AM
        
        PS This was not an indictment of any old-school liberals here ;-) - SDAI-Tech1 - 6/15/2005 4:36:25 AM

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