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re: Alternative fuels

JimO — 4/26/2006 3:08:41 PM (archived)

Excellent suggestions.

I'd like to add my own curiosity about safety. How many people will be expected to die in hydrogen explosions from leaks in enclosed spaces such as public parking garages? How many people will die in railway accidents associated with transporting materials for batteries and related energy storage devices? Ditto injuries and deaths from disposals of the toxic components of ethanol and other 'environmentally safe' fuel handling devices? It's not that economic comparisons are incomplete -- we're all recognizing that -- but that so many of them are DELIBERATIVELY incomplete, but are dishonest propagandizing.

These numbers aren't intuitive at all. I've seen very interesting statistical assessments of seat belts and air bags, for example, that suggest that far from saving lives, they encourage drivers to speed, and that death rates per mile driven have not been reduced -- while death rates of pedestrians involved in auto-pedestrian accidents have soared. Other studies disagree -- but some of the 'cheating' involves counting as a 'life saved' every accident in which an air bag was deployed, rather than making a statistical adjustment for who many lives would not have been lost even without air bags in such accidents.

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Alternative fuels - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2006 6:21:43 AM
- Liquid coal - SteveS - 4/28/2006 1:46:53 AM
- re: Alternative fuels - Sawyer - 4/26/2006 2:51:57 PM
  - re: Alternative fuels - JimO - 4/26/2006 3:08:41 PM
- Insurance costs more than gas - SDF - 4/26/2006 10:06:51 AM
  - $250 a month for insurance! Where do you live? Iraq? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2006 3:15:22 PM
    - That's nothing - SDF - 4/26/2006 5:24:03 PM
      - What have you got for a damage deductible? Keep that high. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2006 6:01:46 PM
        
        Find me an all-season, all-weather vehicle that costs less than $100/mth, all costs included - SDF - 4/26/2006 10:55:28 PM
        
        Nothing useful in all weather is going to be that cheap. - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 1:20:31 AM
      - Geez... - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2006 6:01:02 PM
      - re: That's nothing - Lance - 4/26/2006 5:26:46 PM
        
        In Australia - nick hoffman - 4/27/2006 10:26:07 PM
        
        That's $333/mth for insurance, a full one-third more than I would have to pay (n/t) - SDF - 4/26/2006 5:31:29 PM
        
        Actually, $333/mth US converts to $375/mth Canadian, that's 1.5-times what I would have to pay (n/t) - SDF - 4/26/2006 5:37:08 PM
- re: Alternative fuels - nick hoffman - 4/26/2006 8:57:56 AM
  - re: Alternative fuels - Lance - 4/26/2006 5:19:21 PM
    - re: Alternative fuels - ljk - 4/26/2006 5:38:09 PM
      - re: Alternative fuels - Lance - 4/26/2006 6:16:42 PM
      - re: Alternative fuels - Tom Brosz - 4/26/2006 6:15:50 PM
        
        re: Alternative fuels - ljk - 4/26/2006 6:25:54 PM
        
        Quantum energy - Tom Brosz - 4/27/2006 1:22:08 AM
        
        5 x 10^113 J/m^3 - Adam - 4/27/2006 12:12:12 PM
        
        enough Worlds??? - Adam - 4/27/2006 10:53:24 PM
        
        Only the lowest energy state is manifested (i.e. Ours) - SDF - 4/28/2006 2:52:12 AM
        
        :) Can you back this up? (n/t) - R.L. - 4/29/2006 6:52:15 AM
        
        Which part? Why cars rust? - SDF - 4/30/2006 4:20:35 AM
        
        Prove it.... - R.L. - 4/30/2006 5:10:01 AM
  - What about burning carbon dust? - REB - 4/26/2006 5:15:18 PM
    - We have laws against perpetual motion machines. (n/t) - alcaray - 4/27/2006 4:09:24 PM
      - Not a perpetual motion machine. There is energy input to get the carbon from the CO2 - REB - 4/27/2006 5:18:09 PM
        
        re: Not a perpetual motion machine. There is energy input to get the carbon from the CO2 - alcaray - 4/27/2006 9:05:54 PM
        
        re: Not a perpetual motion machine. There is energy input to get the carbon from the CO2 - REB - 4/28/2006 12:06:55 PM
        
        rREb, you are wrong about the energy imbalance of refining - nick hoffman - 4/29/2006 6:46:57 AM
        
        To be fair - nick hoffman - 4/27/2006 10:22:08 PM
    - No... - R.L. - 4/27/2006 8:13:44 AM
      - You are essentially advocating 'burning' CO2 to create CO2 - R.L. - 4/27/2006 8:21:15 AM
        
        Conservation of energy? We put more energy into finding, getting, transporting and refining oil than we get out of it by burning it in our cars. - REB - 4/27/2006 1:00:27 PM
    - Try this link. - REB - 4/26/2006 5:17:22 PM
      - One more time - REB - 4/26/2006 5:19:31 PM
  - Milestone Achieved in the Development of Biological Fuel Cells - ljk - 4/26/2006 2:28:22 PM
    - The End of Oil? - ljk - 4/27/2006 2:00:51 PM

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