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re: Okay, you lost me.

dtb — 3/13/2007 5:01:29 PM (archived)

And most admins do clean house when they come in too -- Bush did similarly.

However, within-term firings are exceedingly rare unless there is gross misconduct. Firing eight for policy differences is unprecedented. Replacing them without Congressional approval or in some cases, without even informally consulting their home-state delegations is utterly without precedent, even if not unconstitutional.

And while a US Atty serves at the pleasure of the president, if they are being fired because they did not skew their official decisions on behalf of partisan political pressure, then that *is* a crime. Or rather the pressure behind it is, same as it's not hunky-dory if a Republican President fires the head of the IRS because he refuses to conduct special audits of Democratic candidates, even though the Pres can "routinely" replace the head of the IRS.

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US. Attny firings issue runs deeper than even I suspected - Yeti - 3/13/2007 4:30:04 PM
- AG AG just had a press conference - Tony - 3/13/2007 7:15:17 PM
  - They were pressured, fired, and the threatened - R.L. - 3/14/2007 12:36:15 PM
- Also: if the removals were: "perfectly appropriate and within our discretion" ... - Yeti - 3/13/2007 4:38:35 PM
- Okay, you lost me. - TB - 3/13/2007 4:34:51 PM
  - Any Clinton fired had to be replaced by someone confirmed by congress - R.L. - 3/14/2007 10:57:31 AM
  - Gonzales admits he made mistakes, but TB knows better, right? - R.L. - 3/14/2007 10:55:14 AM
  - Please read the following link.... - R.L. - 3/14/2007 4:23:07 AM
    - Carol Lam - dtb - 3/14/2007 10:25:41 AM
      - And Harry Cummins was investigating a Republican Govenor for corruption... - R.L. - 3/14/2007 11:54:01 AM
        
        True, but not as documented as for Lam - dtb - 3/14/2007 1:48:41 PM
        
        Link for quote: - R.L. - 3/14/2007 12:20:17 PM
    - re: Please read the following link.... - TB - 3/14/2007 4:59:47 AM
      - Page 35 certainly indicates that ROVE was in on it... - R.L. - 3/14/2007 5:16:05 AM
  - Heh, heh. Let's put the "cute" back into "prosecute". - Bowser - 3/13/2007 8:48:53 PM
  - Clinton fired em all, or maybe it was Reno asserting her authority - Tony - 3/13/2007 5:01:33 PM
    - How's Old Shakey Doing these days? - carl - 3/13/2007 5:03:38 PM
      - That is pretty low... - R.L. - 3/14/2007 12:42:13 AM
      - Don't know that Lee is that low. (n/t) - Bowser - 3/13/2007 8:49:56 PM
        
        No, Lee is lower than that... - R.L. - 3/16/2007 4:36:22 AM
      - Man, I hope you get parkinsons and live a long, long time. - Yeti - 3/13/2007 5:16:15 PM
  - re: Okay, you lost me. - dtb - 3/13/2007 5:01:29 PM
  - re: Okay, you lost me. - Yeti - 3/13/2007 4:46:02 PM
    - You're blithering. - TB - 3/13/2007 5:02:59 PM
      - You are the one with no clue... - R.L. - 3/14/2007 2:49:00 PM
        
        Look up Jay B. Stephens. (n/t) - TB - 3/14/2007 3:59:54 PM
        
        Are you SERIOUSLY going to try to defend this? - R.L. - 3/14/2007 7:24:51 PM
        
        I'm not defending it. I'm pointing out the usual rank hypocrisy. - TB - 3/14/2007 11:51:20 PM
        
        Yet you haven't condemned it- what does that say about YOUR rank and file hypocrisy? - ARRELL - 3/15/2007 12:50:12 AM
        
        Did you even READ the emails?!! - ARRELL - 3/15/2007 12:28:00 AM
        
        Where does the Patriot Act even come into this? - TB - 3/15/2007 1:33:13 AM
        
        Ok, so you DIDN'T read the emails.... - R.L. - 3/15/2007 1:51:10 AM
        
        Fine. You want to play? - TB - 3/15/2007 2:53:56 AM
        
        A suggestion, obviously ignored - Tony - 3/15/2007 2:02:32 PM
        
        You want to play bullshit? - R.L. - 3/15/2007 9:46:54 AM
        
        Which "right wing congressmen" would those be? - TB - 3/15/2007 5:55:56 PM
        
        P.S. Add another 20 days to the "no tinfoil comments" ban - Tony - 3/14/2007 5:09:07 PM
        
        Take it up with the New York Times. - TB - 3/14/2007 11:53:53 PM
        
        and look how well that turned out for rostenkowski..... - Tony - 3/14/2007 4:35:50 PM
        
        And this is relevant in what way? - R.L. - 3/14/2007 4:27:49 PM
      - Cute answer! Completely devoid of substance, but Cute! - Yeti - 3/13/2007 5:13:22 PM
        
        Background - TB - 3/13/2007 5:23:21 PM
        
        Lets run yet another list - Yeti - 3/13/2007 9:33:15 PM
        
        the rightist talking point is that everyone fires their US attorneys all the time - Tony - 3/13/2007 5:30:10 PM
        
        Yet in the E-mails, Sampson specifically said this was NOT the case... - R.L. - 3/14/2007 2:29:17 PM
        
        Exactly - Tony - 3/14/2007 3:25:11 PM
        
        re: Exactly - gbaikie - 3/14/2007 11:00:36 PM
        
        Let me type slowly for both TB and GB. - Tony - 3/15/2007 3:19:31 PM
        
        Beautiful, Tony. On of the best posts I have ever read here. - Yeti - 3/15/2007 4:54:11 PM
        
        Good idea, i'll light one up for ya now - Tony - 3/15/2007 5:26:01 PM
        
        Dirty rat bastard ;-) - Yeti - 3/15/2007 11:00:48 PM
        
        One person has stepped down, congressmen on both sides of the aisle are calling for investigation, GWB and the AG said mistakes were made - ARRELL - 3/14/2007 11:30:21 PM
        
        yawn (n/t) - gbaikie - 3/15/2007 1:30:16 AM
        
        OH! What a stunning refutation of the facts- you must be SOOOO proud (n/t) - R.L. - 3/15/2007 1:47:15 AM
        
        93 federal prosecutors (n/t) - gbaikie - 3/15/2007 3:42:26 AM
        
        When you are ignorant on a topic.... - R.L. - 3/15/2007 10:17:26 PM
        
        AGAIN- not ONE iota of contribution to the discussion... (n/t) - R.L. - 3/15/2007 3:53:30 AM
    - PS - Yeti - 3/13/2007 4:55:53 PM

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