Tom, Tom, Tom. The US has been "training" those people for 4 years.

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Bowser — 4/8/2008 3:44:20 AM (archived)

4 years. Do you have any idea how long it takes to train an army? Think of the American Civil War - two weeks sometimes. How about WWII, Korea or Vietnam? How much training do you think the average schmuck got? (Hint: Less than 4 years.)

Do you think the average insurgent has 4 years of training, artillery, air power and the US Army backing 'em up? They still "won".

And, remember, the propaganda was that Iraq had a fiercesome army to begin with.

The reality is that there is no significant loyalty to anything but religion, sect and tribe. Certainly not to that outsider, al-Maliki, whom the US imported to be a figurehead. The Iraqis know that. And there is no loyalty to George Bush or the American government. They ain't going to fight and die for them, will fight and die against 'em.

Try again.

Arf

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"Q: Can newly trained Iraqi forces handle those security problems?" - Bowser - 4/8/2008 2:25:47 AM
- re: newly trained? Not always well. The veterans? A lot better. - TB - 4/8/2008 2:47:17 AM
  - Tom, Tom, Tom. The US has been "training" those people for 4 years. - Bowser - 4/8/2008 3:44:20 AM
    - You have to understand you have no idea what you're talking about. - TB - 4/8/2008 4:27:08 AM
      - You think we have to wait for an Iraqi Eisenhower now? - alcaray - 4/8/2008 4:55:17 AM
        
        re: You think we have to wait for an Iraqi Eisenhower now? - TB - 4/8/2008 5:52:51 AM
        
        I have to say I'm with Bowser on this one. - alcaray - 4/8/2008 9:11:03 AM
        
        re: "Your story has changed." - Yeti - 4/8/2008 8:42:04 PM
        
        I just enjoy observing the shields go up. - alcaray - 4/9/2008 12:36:00 AM
        
        I think the original point... - TB - 4/9/2008 12:48:25 AM
        
        For you, this is a "that was then, this is now" kind of thing, right? - alcaray - 4/9/2008 1:04:07 AM
        
        "Then" is pretty much all your side has got right now. - TB - 4/9/2008 2:59:55 AM
        
        In 6 months you'll be on to the next 'we're winning' story, different fom this one, and you will be saying the same thing about 'our side' (n/t) - Yeti - 4/9/2008 8:01:35 PM
        
        Did you even bother to look at the data? - TB - 4/9/2008 9:49:31 PM
        
        I'll tell you one thing thats changed. - Yeti - 4/9/2008 10:44:55 PM
        
        And how's the accuracy on your side? - TB - 4/9/2008 11:07:44 PM
        
        Better than your endless and pointless rhetorical cycles - Yeti - 4/10/2008 1:44:50 AM
        
        Washington Post editorial - TB - 4/9/2008 11:12:03 PM
        
        re: "Then" is pretty much all your side has got right now. - gbaikie - 4/9/2008 4:26:42 AM
        
        I could not find your quote with a google search. What is it from? (n/t) - alcaray - 4/9/2008 7:45:49 AM
        
        re: I could not find your quote with a google search. What is it from? - gbaikie - 4/9/2008 8:23:17 AM
        
        Why not just take responsibility for that for which you are responsible for? - alcaray - 4/9/2008 4:08:41 AM
        
        responsawha? They're republicans, responsibility is for - Yeti - 4/9/2008 4:22:18 AM
      - That is just plain nonsense. The same nonsense, over and over for years. - Bowser - 4/8/2008 4:41:32 AM
        
        re: plain nonsense. - TB - 4/8/2008 5:41:16 AM

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