I agree with Frank

Gary — 10/10/2001 3:15:57 PM (archived)

I agree with Frank. I read Zubrin's article in "Space News" today, liked what I saw and agreed with many of his points. Unfortunately I think Zubrin will get hammered by the replying op-ed letters (probably written by highly qualified university academics specializing in Near Eastern studies).

There is an unfortunate truth about Freedom of Speech:

Speech is free only when the speaker's opinion is worthless.

When Zubrin became founder of the Mars Society, he forfeited most of his freedom of speech. By implication, his opinions impact the Mars Society and it's political viability. By involving himself with this unrelated Islamic issue, he threw away some of the Mars Society's political coin without gaining anything back.

I'm still a Zubrin fan. However I think Zubrin needs to learn when to keep his mouth shut (a fault that I also have).

Gary

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Is Cowing Accurately Quoting Zubrin? - Mark Eby - 10/9/2001 1:40:18 PM
- Thanks for the 911 memorial - this must have been a lot of work. - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 4:20:54 PM
  - Don't forget the Lizard People... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 3:24:34 AM
    - I think that I mentioned all of them... - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 3:34:31 PM
  - Wow You Must Have Been Really Bored & Have Nothing To Do To Page That Far Back - Mark Eby - 9/17/2004 12:17:52 AM
    - Far from the case - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 1:50:12 AM
      - re: Far from the case - Keith Cowing - 9/17/2004 2:30:34 AM
        
        I can't help but notice your lack of fact and use of invective - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:47:34 PM
    - Cant blame EP for this one- If you look below you will see that it was resurrected by what appears to be a mentally ill person on acid. (n/t) - R.L. - 9/17/2004 1:35:21 AM
  - re: Thanks for the 911 memorial - this must have been a lot of work. - Keith Cowing - 9/16/2004 5:41:18 PM
    - Correction: they bought your services. - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 7:05:55 PM
- No - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 5:07:08 PM
  - Re: No - Michael K. Heney - 10/11/2001 8:10:46 AM
    - Re: No - Keith Cowing - 10/11/2001 12:57:21 PM
  - Nonsense - Keith Cowing - 10/10/2001 5:25:06 PM
    - Why hello, Scoop - - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 6:19:24 PM
      - Re: Why hello, Scoop - - Keith Cowing - 10/10/2001 6:56:01 PM
- Re: Is Cowing Accurately Quoting Zubrin? - Tom Brosz - 10/9/2001 2:34:23 PM
  - Thanks Tom & Others - Mark Eby - 10/10/2001 11:59:59 AM
  - Zubrin editorial - Tom Brosz - 10/9/2001 3:19:34 PM
    - Oh, heck with it. Here it is. - Tom Brosz - 10/10/2001 4:09:04 PM
      - He is right - FrankC - 10/10/2001 5:07:48 PM
        
        Re: He is right - gbaikie - 10/10/2001 6:55:53 PM
        
        re: Re: He is right - Marthe Brosseau - 9/16/2004 3:44:38 AM
        
        Uhhhh, yeah, we'll hop right on that - R.L. - 9/17/2004 1:40:46 AM
        
        Don't sweat it. I've got Quatermass working the giant grasshopper problem. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 3:23:47 AM
        
        Oh, Jolly good, ol chap! - R.L. - 9/17/2004 9:24:56 AM
        
        Either way - FrankC - 10/10/2001 7:06:09 PM
        
        Space Utopianism - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 12:45:05 PM
        
        Re: He is right - phil - 10/10/2001 8:01:48 AM
        
        I agree with Frank - Gary - 10/10/2001 3:15:57 PM
      - A technical comment, not a historical one - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 4:49:54 PM
        
        Re: A technical comment, not a historical one - Tom Brosz - 10/10/2001 6:00:43 PM
        
        Re: Habitabilty - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 6:37:11 PM
        
        Re: Habitabilty - phil - 10/10/2001 7:58:13 PM
        
        Nanotech no solution to habitability problem - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 12:17:33 PM
        
        Re: Nanotech no solution to habitability problem - phil - 10/10/2001 12:35:41 PM
        
        Re: Nanotech no solution to habitability problem - Tom Brosz - 10/11/2001 3:59:42 PM
- Agree with Keith or not, I've never known him to lie - Larry J - 10/9/2001 2:20:48 PM
  - So what have they invented in the past 700 years? - Lee - 10/10/2001 7:31:40 PM
    - Brilliant Essay, Dr. Zubrin - Brock Peters - 5/28/2002 5:10:24 PM
    - Not much - FrankC - 10/10/2001 12:59:31 PM
- Yes, Cowing is Accurately Quoting Zubrin - Keith Cowing - 10/9/2001 2:19:26 PM
  - For Larry & Keith On Misrepresentation - Mark Eby - 10/10/2001 11:37:44 AM
    - Perhaps it was a matter of phrasing - Larry J - 10/10/2001 12:53:06 PM
    - Now ask yourself the next question - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 12:27:43 PM
- Re: Is Cowing Accurately Quoting Zubrin? - FrankC - 10/9/2001 2:17:29 PM

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