Space Utopianism

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Space Utopianism

E.P. Grondine — 10/10/2001 12:45:05 PM (archived)

I don't see any problem at all with Zubrin's comments - many people have been trying to get a grasp on Islamic Fundamentalism in recent days - Dr. Peiser posted a note to the Cambrdige Conference commenting on early Islamic apocalystic thinking and its evolution immediately after the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks -

Where Zubrin's comments fall apart is in seeing manned Mars flight as a solution to defeating Fundamentalist thinking at its core - but then as he's a space utopianist, that's not too surprising -

You have to remember that for some folks space utopianism plays the role of religion in their lives - to see earlier examples of this read "The Winged Gospel" a book on aviation utopianism in the first part of the 20th Century - For these folks promoting manned space exploration is very much a type of religious conflict -

EP

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Is Cowing Accurately Quoting Zubrin? - Mark Eby - 10/9/2001 1:40:18 PM
- Thanks for the 911 memorial - this must have been a lot of work. - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 4:20:54 PM
  - Don't forget the Lizard People... (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 3:24:34 AM
    - I think that I mentioned all of them... - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 3:34:31 PM
  - Wow You Must Have Been Really Bored & Have Nothing To Do To Page That Far Back - Mark Eby - 9/17/2004 12:17:52 AM
    - Far from the case - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 1:50:12 AM
      - re: Far from the case - Keith Cowing - 9/17/2004 2:30:34 AM
        
        I can't help but notice your lack of fact and use of invective - E.P. Grondine - 9/17/2004 2:47:34 PM
    - Cant blame EP for this one- If you look below you will see that it was resurrected by what appears to be a mentally ill person on acid. (n/t) - R.L. - 9/17/2004 1:35:21 AM
  - re: Thanks for the 911 memorial - this must have been a lot of work. - Keith Cowing - 9/16/2004 5:41:18 PM
    - Correction: they bought your services. - E.P. Grondine - 9/16/2004 7:05:55 PM
- No - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 5:07:08 PM
  - Re: No - Michael K. Heney - 10/11/2001 8:10:46 AM
    - Re: No - Keith Cowing - 10/11/2001 12:57:21 PM
  - Nonsense - Keith Cowing - 10/10/2001 5:25:06 PM
    - Why hello, Scoop - - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 6:19:24 PM
      - Re: Why hello, Scoop - - Keith Cowing - 10/10/2001 6:56:01 PM
- Re: Is Cowing Accurately Quoting Zubrin? - Tom Brosz - 10/9/2001 2:34:23 PM
  - Thanks Tom & Others - Mark Eby - 10/10/2001 11:59:59 AM
  - Zubrin editorial - Tom Brosz - 10/9/2001 3:19:34 PM
    - Oh, heck with it. Here it is. - Tom Brosz - 10/10/2001 4:09:04 PM
      - He is right - FrankC - 10/10/2001 5:07:48 PM
        
        Re: He is right - gbaikie - 10/10/2001 6:55:53 PM
        
        re: Re: He is right - Marthe Brosseau - 9/16/2004 3:44:38 AM
        
        Uhhhh, yeah, we'll hop right on that - R.L. - 9/17/2004 1:40:46 AM
        
        Don't sweat it. I've got Quatermass working the giant grasshopper problem. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 9/17/2004 3:23:47 AM
        
        Oh, Jolly good, ol chap! - R.L. - 9/17/2004 9:24:56 AM
        
        Either way - FrankC - 10/10/2001 7:06:09 PM
        
        Space Utopianism - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 12:45:05 PM
        
        Re: He is right - phil - 10/10/2001 8:01:48 AM
        
        I agree with Frank - Gary - 10/10/2001 3:15:57 PM
      - A technical comment, not a historical one - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 4:49:54 PM
        
        Re: A technical comment, not a historical one - Tom Brosz - 10/10/2001 6:00:43 PM
        
        Re: Habitabilty - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 6:37:11 PM
        
        Re: Habitabilty - phil - 10/10/2001 7:58:13 PM
        
        Nanotech no solution to habitability problem - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 12:17:33 PM
        
        Re: Nanotech no solution to habitability problem - phil - 10/10/2001 12:35:41 PM
        
        Re: Nanotech no solution to habitability problem - Tom Brosz - 10/11/2001 3:59:42 PM
- Agree with Keith or not, I've never known him to lie - Larry J - 10/9/2001 2:20:48 PM
  - So what have they invented in the past 700 years? - Lee - 10/10/2001 7:31:40 PM
    - Brilliant Essay, Dr. Zubrin - Brock Peters - 5/28/2002 5:10:24 PM
    - Not much - FrankC - 10/10/2001 12:59:31 PM
- Yes, Cowing is Accurately Quoting Zubrin - Keith Cowing - 10/9/2001 2:19:26 PM
  - For Larry & Keith On Misrepresentation - Mark Eby - 10/10/2001 11:37:44 AM
    - Perhaps it was a matter of phrasing - Larry J - 10/10/2001 12:53:06 PM
    - Now ask yourself the next question - E.P. Grondine - 10/10/2001 12:27:43 PM
- Re: Is Cowing Accurately Quoting Zubrin? - FrankC - 10/9/2001 2:17:29 PM

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