"Do you honestly believe the current Iraqi government is the one its people want?"

This is notrelevant. Just because we impose our will to displace someone else who is imposing their will does not make it freedom or liberation or protecting their freedom or [...], its just another non-constented-to governing power being installed by armed will. It is qualitatively DIFFERENT, yes, a lot less brutal, yes- but it is still a FORCEFUL imposition of power.

"Overthrowing a murderous dictator does not equate to overthrowing a freely elected government and it is ridiculous to imply the two are moraly equivalent or that civil rights of Iraqis are being violated in doing so."

Never claimed an equivalence.

"Do you believe they have no right to avoid cruel and unusual punishments? They don't under the current government."

Yes, that is their right, they also have a right not to be killed wholesale by our tanks, bombs and guns. Those soldiers out there are dead if they don't fight and dead if they do.

"In short it is ridiculous to equate the minor faults of the current and past Us governments with the agregious behavior of Saddam's regime."

Yeesh, I never claimed as much. But taking a country by force against the popular will of the people is NOT liberation.

Please read my posts and comment on what I say, not on what you infer about my position. I try to do the same for you and would appreciate it.

Davin