The short version of the Left's attitude toward this war is that they honestly don't want Saddam, the Baathists, or the terrorists to win, but they do want us to lose. That this is impossible doesn't bother them much.
Liberals are highly allergic to binary ideas, so they have a lot of trouble with the concept that not taking Saddam out of power would mean that he would be in power in Iraq right now.
We know the consequences of the current course of action. An honest anti-war person would admit that his course of action would also have consequences. Those who say that "somehow" Saddam could have been removed from power without violence are living in a fantasy world.
Again, those who believe we should never have gone to war against Saddam (a leader with a proven record of WMD use, proven ambition to develop more, invasion of neighboring countries, support of terrorism, and destruction of his own people and nation), may have a valid point, but when balancing the issues they have to include the results of their alternative, too, which would have been the status quo in Iraq.
If you aren't going to pull a difficult weed out of your flowerbed, you might not be "pro-weed," but you are by default supporting it staying in your garden.
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re: explain it to us poor lefties.
The whole thread (118 posts)
- The reason lawyers get no respect - or - What Gary's definition of a traitor should have been
- re: The reason lawyers get respect -
- I think that is pretty much what Gary had in mind (n/t)
- I see. People here were defending Saddam Hussein.
- As I stated at the time
- Actually some were. They know who they are. (n/t)
- "I have here in my hands a list of domestic Saddamists..." (n/t)
- BS. Put up or shut up. (n/t)
- Short term memory must be a blessing of sorts.
- A Rather Blunt Postscript
- Yeah, some people have a rapier wit, but Techie's is a blunt instrument (n/t)
- Love the wealth of input generated. Guess I finally pinned em to a point they can't defend.
- Why argue with you? You have already concluded that dissent from Bush's opinion is treason. (n/t)
- Re: treason, sedition and subversive elements
- “That we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.†(n/t)
- My apologies to Bowser.
- "A subversive is easily spotted once one knows what to look for"
- Personally I think Bowser is much more patriotic than thou (n/t)
- Re: treason, sedition and subversive elements
- Note that no one is actually worked up about this insulting stuff of yours.
- Defend what exactly?
- Why argue with you? You have already concluded that dissent from Bush's opinion is treason. (n/t)
- pathetic and hysterical drivel (n/t)
- "It's laughable."
- ;~) Double ;~) ;~)
- Sorry you feel that way
- I only have time to get thru F, but just wanted to point out what an insulting crock this is.
- Shorter Techie - Meinungsverschiedenheit ist verboten
- And another thing...
- NOT ONE of those posts were remotely pro-Saddam Hussein. You'd better start being more careful; you're obviously lying and slandering here
- Irrationality must be an even greater comfort
- "Ninny? NINNY??"
- Thank goodness this is flame
- Well sharpen your knife: I'm pro-Muslim.
- Yes, it is
- "You have your head jammed so far up your ass, Techie, that you won't see daylight the rest of your life."
- See my postscript above.
- Mmmm, I'd give it about a 6.7, I think
- Can you clarify what my error about the UN was? Then I will attempt to wax eloquent. (n/t)
- WHAT?? "Stand with Bowser and you will smell bad and need a change of clothes in short order"
- "You, and many others here, kindly overlook this just like you overlook the UN's culpability and coziness with Saddam's atrocities. "
- Yo Techie!
- stop referring to me as an 'Aussie leftist' just because I support free speech and the right to dissent
- role of 'patriotism' in all this
- Patriotism must be a blessing of sorts.
- Sorry D-dawg. Does not compute.
- I don't know...
- A Rather Blunt Postscript
- Short term memory must be a blessing of sorts.
- is that so? I don't remember any posts here like that
- I see. People here were defending Saddam Hussein.
- re: What Gary's definition of a traitor should have been