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re: On the other hand...John Adams

phil — 12/7/2005 4:41:04 PM (archived)

My man from MA. Read his bio; great read. You'll find that Adams' stated reasons were somewhat different from R Clark's statements. However, Treason is not defending someone in court as their lawyer. Even Saddam.

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The reason lawyers get no respect - or - What Gary's definition of a traitor should have been - Buck Galaxy - 12/6/2005 8:30:12 AM
- re: The reason lawyers get respect - - Publius - 12/7/2005 4:40:14 PM
  - Meh... - Todd - 12/11/2005 3:31:55 PM
  - I agree with the principle, but - Buck Galaxy - 12/8/2005 3:50:43 AM
  - Agreed... - McFly - 12/7/2005 7:13:19 PM
    - The problem is... - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 10:41:32 PM
      - You may be right. Let's wait and see. - alcaray - 12/8/2005 11:30:09 PM
    - Your friend is correct....... - Publius - 12/8/2005 6:46:18 PM
- I think that is pretty much what Gary had in mind (n/t) - FrankC - 12/7/2005 5:43:07 AM
  - I see. People here were defending Saddam Hussein. - Daniel - 12/7/2005 6:22:47 AM
    - As I stated at the time - FrankC - 12/8/2005 4:29:56 AM
      - agreed on this point: - Daniel - 12/8/2005 6:03:10 AM
    - Actually some were. They know who they are. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/7/2005 9:32:23 AM
      - "I have here in my hands a list of domestic Saddamists..." (n/t) - DSAI-etch-1000 - 12/7/2005 6:03:48 PM
      - BS. Put up or shut up. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/7/2005 4:06:54 PM
        
        Short term memory must be a blessing of sorts. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 2:59:56 AM
        
        A Rather Blunt Postscript - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 6:06:40 PM
        
        Yeah, some people have a rapier wit, but Techie's is a blunt instrument (n/t) - Robert - 12/9/2005 5:04:19 PM
        
        Love the wealth of input generated. Guess I finally pinned em to a point they can't defend. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/9/2005 3:06:30 AM
        
        Why argue with you? You have already concluded that dissent from Bush's opinion is treason. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 12/10/2005 7:38:30 PM
        
        Re: treason, sedition and subversive elements - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/10/2005 10:07:34 PM
        
        â€œThat we are to stand by the president, right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.â€ (n/t) - Theodore Roosevelt - 12/11/2005 6:33:49 PM
        
        My apologies to Bowser. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/11/2005 11:20:32 AM
        
        re: My apologies to Bowser. - Lindy - 12/11/2005 6:18:08 PM
        
        "A subversive is easily spotted once one knows what to look for" - Lindy - 12/11/2005 7:35:13 AM
        
        Personally I think Bowser is much more patriotic than thou (n/t) - Laurie Street - 12/11/2005 1:55:56 AM
        
        Palestine needs all the patriots it can get. (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/11/2005 3:46:40 AM
        
        Note that no one is actually worked up about this insulting stuff of yours. - alcaray - 12/9/2005 5:35:11 PM
        
        Amazingly, it's generated the longest sub-thread. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/10/2005 3:51:57 AM
        
        Defend what exactly? - Tony - 12/9/2005 5:07:43 PM
        
        pathetic and hysterical drivel (n/t) - Daniel - 12/9/2005 2:16:19 AM
        
        "It's laughable." - Tony - 12/8/2005 7:30:49 PM
        
        ;~) Double ;~) ;~) - Lindy - 12/8/2005 6:39:06 PM
        
        Sorry you feel that way - alcaray - 12/8/2005 6:10:58 PM
        
        I only have time to get thru F, but just wanted to point out what an insulting crock this is. - alcaray - 12/8/2005 4:05:05 PM
        
        Shorter Techie - Meinungsverschiedenheit ist verboten - Tony - 12/8/2005 3:07:09 PM
        
        And another thing... - Robert - 12/8/2005 4:41:16 AM
        
        Life's tough - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 5:36:01 AM
        
        Oh gawd, It's worse than I thought - Robert - 12/9/2005 5:08:24 PM
        
        just use a simple generic word for the lot of them - Daniel - 12/8/2005 4:56:16 AM
        
        So have you traced your lineage there Daniel... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/10/2005 4:01:03 AM
        
        our horses are scrupulously honest - Daniel - 12/10/2005 10:45:18 PM
        
        Good one! (n/t) - Robert - 12/8/2005 4:57:31 AM
        
        NOT ONE of those posts were remotely pro-Saddam Hussein. You'd better start being more careful; you're obviously lying and slandering here - Daniel - 12/8/2005 4:28:25 AM
        
        You know Techie personally? - Tony - 12/8/2005 3:02:59 PM
        
        it's a 'generic' diatribe, meant for anyone who fits the description (n/t) - Daniel - 12/8/2005 4:13:51 PM
        
        Go Daniel - Lindy - 12/8/2005 6:21:46 AM
        
        no more - Daniel - 12/8/2005 6:34:40 AM
        
        That's fine with me...just so long as... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 7:10:24 AM
        
        Style is a crucial element in the art of flaming - Robert - 12/8/2005 4:56:36 AM
        
        style is irrelevant Robert. Here's some more CONTENT: - Daniel - 12/8/2005 5:04:09 AM
        
        Irrationality must be an even greater comfort - Robert - 12/8/2005 4:24:39 AM
        
        "Ninny? NINNY??" - Lindy - 12/8/2005 6:35:39 AM
        
        Thank goodness this is flame - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 5:23:37 AM
        
        Well sharpen your knife: I'm pro-Muslim. - alcaray - 12/8/2005 7:03:55 PM
        
        re: Well sharpen your knife: I'm pro-Muslim. - Lindy - 12/8/2005 9:15:48 PM
        
        Yes, it is - Robert - 12/8/2005 6:52:17 PM
        
        "You have your head jammed so far up your ass, Techie, that you won't see daylight the rest of your life." - Lindy - 12/8/2005 9:20:44 PM
        
        See my postscript above. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 7:27:21 PM
        
        Mmmm, I'd give it about a 6.7, I think - Robert - 12/8/2005 10:48:35 PM
        
        You give new meaning to "the blind 'leading' the blind" - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/9/2005 2:51:55 AM
        
        Such fine irony - Robert - 12/9/2005 5:03:20 PM
        
        So you're with Bowser chasing the chuck-up wagon? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/10/2005 3:36:37 AM
        
        if you lower the bar any further you'll have to dig a trench (n/t) - Daniel - 12/9/2005 4:14:28 AM
        
        Can you clarify what my error about the UN was? Then I will attempt to wax eloquent. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/8/2005 9:32:40 PM
        
        WHAT?? "Stand with Bowser and you will smell bad and need a change of clothes in short order" - Lindy - 12/8/2005 9:26:53 PM
        
        "You, and many others here, kindly overlook this just like you overlook the UN's culpability and coziness with Saddam's atrocities. " - Lindy - 12/8/2005 9:23:45 PM
        
        Yo Techie! - Lindy - 12/8/2005 6:26:35 AM
        
        stop referring to me as an 'Aussie leftist' just because I support free speech and the right to dissent - Daniel - 12/8/2005 5:27:25 AM
        
        Don't be so touchy! - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 5:30:08 AM
        
        I was referring to your noun 'leftist', not your adjective 'Aussie' - Daniel - 12/8/2005 5:34:54 AM
        
        Are you a rightist? Centrist? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 5:37:23 AM
        
        yes, that's totally relevant here isn't it - Daniel - 12/8/2005 6:09:14 AM
        
        role of 'patriotism' in all this - Daniel - 12/8/2005 5:16:07 AM
        
        What would you expect from the descendants of criminals? - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 5:27:32 AM
        
        ick (n/t) - alcaray - 12/8/2005 6:44:50 PM
        
        step by step deconstruction of this dreck: - Daniel - 12/8/2005 5:54:48 AM
        
        Patriotism must be a blessing of sorts. - Lindy - 12/8/2005 3:28:37 AM
        
        Here SDAI......... - Lindy - 12/8/2005 3:47:18 AM
        
        Sorry D-dawg. Does not compute. - more SDAI-wretch misattribution - 12/8/2005 3:19:49 AM
        
        re: Sorry D-dawg. Does not compute. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 7:03:55 AM
        
        I don't know... - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 3:06:22 AM
        
        You really thought those were pro-Saddam, Tom? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/8/2005 4:00:10 PM
        
        Perhaps a more level headed conservative could explain it to us poor lefties. - Tony - 12/8/2005 7:34:20 PM
        
        re: explain it to us poor lefties. - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 8:24:53 PM
        
        Question too hard? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/8/2005 9:34:46 PM
        
        No. More like left-heavy brains are too soft...mushy even. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 10:03:26 PM
        
        Mine is clearly too mushy to derive a "yes" or a "no" from Tom's response (n/t) - alcaray - 12/8/2005 10:19:07 PM
        
        Oh, NOW we get binary! ;) (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 10:39:01 PM
        
        Hah! (n/t) - alcaray - 12/8/2005 11:32:57 PM
        
        re: I know... - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/8/2005 3:09:37 AM
      - is that so? I don't remember any posts here like that - Daniel - 12/7/2005 12:52:19 PM
- re: What Gary's definition of a traitor should have been - Tom Brosz - 12/6/2005 8:01:49 PM
  - Actually it would be anti-American........... - Publius - 12/7/2005 4:32:33 PM
    - Shut up. - alcaray - 12/7/2005 6:32:39 PM
  - Anti-Americanism. - et - 12/7/2005 4:09:27 AM
    - re: Anti-Americanism. - Tom Brosz - 12/7/2005 7:24:06 AM
      - A.N.S.W.E.R. and Ramsey Clark - et - 12/7/2005 5:31:54 PM
        
        No. You're not familiar with either of them. - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 1:18:22 AM
        
        Where is it then? I asked for links.... (n/t) - et - 12/8/2005 5:52:11 PM
        
        Do the work yourself for a change. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 8:15:57 PM
        
        You made the assertion. Put up or shut up! (n/t) - et - 12/8/2005 11:52:18 PM
        
        All right. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2005 9:20:28 AM
        
        BROsz-Bot - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/9/2005 4:37:44 AM
        
        Interesting... - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2005 9:01:03 AM
  - re: re:Not even - Raoul - 12/6/2005 9:42:20 PM
    - "Ah, patriotism, that word has bad connotations over here." Believe me, it shows. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/7/2005 12:25:20 AM
      - Shows over here too. You have redefined it to mean something partisan and dangerous. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/7/2005 5:40:43 PM
        
        How about riots going on for months? (n/t) - gbaikie - 12/7/2005 7:10:03 PM
        
        Huh? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/7/2005 10:20:31 PM
  - On the other hand... - Fox - 12/6/2005 8:11:09 PM
    - re: On the other hand...John Adams - phil - 12/7/2005 4:41:04 PM
      - I knew *you'd* get it, Phil - Fox - 12/7/2005 7:11:09 PM
        
        If the comparison of Adams and Clark was accurate... - Tom Brosz - 12/8/2005 1:22:32 AM
        
        "praising the British for killing some of them." Another unsupported slander. PUOSU. (n/t) - et - 12/8/2005 11:53:42 PM
        
        See earlier answer. That's all you get. - Tom Brosz - 12/9/2005 6:16:52 PM
        
        Why revere #2.... - et - 12/7/2005 10:46:52 PM
        
        re: Why revere #2? - Fox - 12/9/2005 4:47:38 PM

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