re: From the looks of it, it's going to be an either/or situation.

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re: From the looks of it, it's going to be an either/or situation.

R.L. — 4/16/2006 4:19:38 AM (archived)

If Iran tries, and/or succeeds in nuking Isreal, then a good portion of Iran will cease to exist- the action and the retaliation will both be tragedies... If you look at my postson this topic here - they have all been about the silliness of using nukes as purely tactical weapons....

If Iran uses a single nuke on Isreal, the VAST majority of dead will be people that had nothing to do with implementing Isreal's policy towards the Palestinians or the muslim world... when Isreal retaliates by vaporizing most of Iran, the vast majority of victims will be people not actively involved in causing Isreal harm. In both cases there will be many undeniably innocent children killed and maimed...

IF we must have war, then it is best we keep it conventional...

A one Mt 'bunker buster' will have VERY widespread effects on civilian populations anywhere down wind for 100's of miles. They COULD easily kill 100's of thousands, and yes maybe millions based on where they are used.

If the cause is justified then you wont find me protesting the use of MOABs as fast as we can make them (Away from civilian populations... I did not have any problem with their use in Afghanistan- didn't we use them in Tora Bora? I have NO problem vaporizing our true enemies)

But to cavalierly suggest using nukes without thinking about the innocents that will die- well, that is just sick...

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UCS on nuclear bunker-busting - et - 4/14/2006 6:51:24 PM
- re: B61-11 - Vince - 4/15/2006 2:07:49 PM
- Well I sure hope this guy understands what fallout could do! - Buck Galaxy - 4/15/2006 8:27:13 AM
  - re: Well I sure hope this guy understands what fallout could do! - SDF - 4/15/2006 2:34:43 PM
- When you guys have finished with the foul language, can we have this on CE, please? (n/t) - nick hoffman - 4/15/2006 3:40:54 AM
  - *Nick, why do you feel this is off topic? - ModBob - 4/15/2006 8:57:19 PM
    - re: *Nick, why do you feel this is off topic? - nick hoffman - 4/16/2006 12:40:53 PM
      - I agree - Move to Flame - Buck Galaxy - 4/16/2006 5:52:21 PM
      - re: *Nick, why do you feel this is off topic? - ModBob - 4/16/2006 4:28:52 PM
        
        re: *Nick, why do you feel this is off topic? - nick hoffman - 4/17/2006 3:09:27 PM
        
        Talking of precedents - nick hoffman - 4/17/2006 3:16:28 PM
        
        Talking. - et - 4/17/2006 9:17:25 PM
        
        Sometimes breaking an egg is a good thing - SteveS - 4/17/2006 5:45:07 PM
        
        "Sometimes, people make idiotic claims... I think it is fair to point this out... sometimes I think it is fair to point this out rather harshly." - Buck Galaxy - 4/16/2006 5:50:57 PM
        
        Oh, I wish.... - R.L. - 4/16/2006 7:05:29 PM
        
        Now there's a concept - SteveS - 4/16/2006 5:37:51 PM
  - I think this is on-topic.... - R.L. - 4/15/2006 6:26:29 AM
    - It can power Orion, so it is on topic. - Lee - 4/16/2006 8:26:21 AM
    - I think so too - Tom Brosz - 4/16/2006 4:53:26 AM
      - **Politics, in regard to space/science, is on topic** - ModBob - 4/16/2006 5:43:14 AM
        
        BEHOLD ALL!!! The psycological Klein bottle!! (n/t) - Excellent Therapist - 4/16/2006 6:58:54 AM
        
        I will spend all night awake wondering what you meant - R.L. - 4/16/2006 7:10:50 AM
        
        I know what it means... - Tom Brosz - 4/16/2006 8:54:30 PM
  - Pardon the language please Nick. - et - 4/15/2006 4:14:34 AM
- Are they stupid or what? - Lee - 4/14/2006 7:17:08 PM
  - yes Lee, we know you could give a shit about brown people. - et - 4/14/2006 7:31:39 PM
    - Lee has a point. - Tom Brosz - 4/14/2006 10:10:33 PM
      - Sure, if you're an effin idiot. (how's that MB?) - et - 4/15/2006 12:17:00 AM
        
        Surprisingly reserved... ;) (n/t) - ModBob - 4/15/2006 4:41:29 AM
        
        The bunker buster is by it's very nature a subsurface device. - Lee - 4/15/2006 12:23:10 AM
        
        Your ignorance is astounding - R.L. - 4/15/2006 5:37:00 AM
        
        re: ignorance - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2006 6:10:42 AM
        
        re: ignorance - R.L. - 4/15/2006 6:18:27 AM
        
        Just to try and keep things real... - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2006 6:42:41 AM
        
        re: Just to try and keep things real... - et - 4/15/2006 5:10:29 PM
        
        Tom, I dont think we are seriously thinking about using nukes on Iran... - R.L. - 4/15/2006 6:47:42 AM
        
        You're a distinct minority, then. - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2006 7:22:42 AM
        
        I really don't think so.... - R.L. - 4/15/2006 9:22:50 PM
        
        You might have misunderstood - Tom Brosz - 4/15/2006 11:14:43 PM
        
        Seriously, Tom - R.L. - 4/15/2006 11:51:23 PM
        
        Speaking of an effing idiot.... - end transmission - 4/15/2006 2:18:24 AM
        
        20 feet? - Lee - 4/15/2006 4:49:50 AM
        
        Hell of a difference, Lee - nick hoffman - 4/16/2006 12:35:29 PM
        
        Now that was a proper reply. - Lee - 4/16/2006 4:39:41 PM
        
        No, et is correct, and you are an idiot.... - R.L. - 4/15/2006 6:14:15 AM
        
        Idiots are people unable to articulate an argument, - Lee - 4/15/2006 9:12:04 AM
        
        If you have a complaint take it to Commmunity - ModBob - 4/15/2006 7:30:07 PM
        
        Lee, you made a stupid claim, and you were called on it - R.L. - 4/15/2006 7:12:23 PM
        
        And the obligitory wikipedia article. - et - 4/15/2006 5:40:20 AM
        
        It's a bunker buster. - Lee - 4/15/2006 9:14:49 AM
        
        And here's a more "nuclear" specific source that claims 10 yards. - et - 4/15/2006 5:30:14 AM
        
        More than 20 =)~ (n/t) - Lee - 4/15/2006 9:06:20 AM
        
        30 feet, do you think it makes a difference to a megaton bomb?! (n/t) - R.L. - 4/15/2006 7:36:46 PM
        
        Ever hear of shaped charge warheads? - Lee - 4/16/2006 1:07:05 AM
        
        LOL!!! - R.L. - 4/16/2006 1:12:11 AM
        
        From the looks of it, it's going to be an either/or situation. - Lee - 4/16/2006 1:43:20 AM
        
        re: From the looks of it, it's going to be an either/or situation. - R.L. - 4/16/2006 4:19:38 AM
        
        re: From the looks of it, it's going to be an either/or situation. - gbaikie - 4/16/2006 7:28:04 AM
        
        re: From the looks of it, it's going to be an either/or situation. - R.L. - 4/16/2006 2:33:39 PM
        
        Tora Bora was hit by a thermobaric weapon. - Lee - 4/16/2006 8:42:37 AM
        
        By MOAB I meant the conventional bomb (n/t) - R.L. - 4/16/2006 4:21:40 AM
        
        20 feet of concrete. - et - 4/15/2006 5:24:44 AM
    - **Mind the language, et** (n/t) - ModBob - 4/14/2006 9:41:03 PM
      - re: **Mind the language, et** - ModBob - 4/14/2006 10:06:17 PM

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