Follow the money

Robert — 5/12/2006 5:10:05 PM (archived)

Very good point. Climate change deniers like to argue for symmetry, that the opinions of the corporate scientists and the opinions of the majority of scientists are equally distorted by self-interest. But when you follow the money you discover the impressive scale of that Big Lie. The polluting businesses that hire their pet scientists have something tangible and easy to understand on the table: Money. And the other side? They're described as wanting to "destroy American capitalism" and "they just hate America"...mushy and intangible and essentially meaningless non-explanations that can't possibly provide a motivation for thousands of scientists working for hundreds of institutions.

Occam's Razor: Those denying climate change are motivated by crass self-interest to lie. The scientists who are trying to warn us about climate change are trying to warn us about climate change.

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BBC on climate change hype - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2006 1:08:12 AM
- African glaciers receeding and predicted to vanish within two decades - Lance - 5/16/2006 3:07:47 PM
- re: BBC on climate change hype - azstrummer - 5/11/2006 4:24:27 PM
  - It's been generally agreed... - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2006 5:05:11 PM
    - Correct- it is Space/Science not just Space-science (n/t) - ModBob - 5/16/2006 3:50:58 AM
    - agreed - Robert - 5/11/2006 5:44:41 PM
      - re: agreed - azstrummer - 5/11/2006 8:21:21 PM
        
        and on the topic itself - Robert - 5/11/2006 9:06:06 PM
        
        Call it the "spotting one cockroach" theory. - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2006 3:12:00 AM
        
        re: agreed - Robert - 5/11/2006 9:04:58 PM
        
        re: agreed - hank - 5/12/2006 1:22:29 PM
        
        Deja vu all over again - hank - 5/12/2006 8:21:08 PM
        
        Follow the money - Robert - 5/12/2006 5:10:05 PM
        
        Of course, the assumption in that argument... - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2006 9:19:23 PM
        
        I think you've gone off the deep end, Tom - Robert - 5/13/2006 1:07:36 AM
        
        Okay. I'm seeing the problem here. - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2006 8:08:19 AM
        
        "Did you follow the goddam stem cell controversy at all? Cloning? Damn STRAIGHT scientists will lie to get themselves written up as leaders in their field." - R.L. - 5/16/2006 4:01:38 AM
        
        re: Okay. I'm the problem here. - Robert - 5/13/2006 3:57:02 PM
        
        Correction - Robert - 5/13/2006 1:12:36 AM
        
        re: Follow the money - azstrummer - 5/12/2006 7:38:06 PM
      - Not just science fiction, but also Science FRICTION! (n/t) - et - 5/11/2006 6:42:28 PM
    - Ferchrisesake, this is where it belongs.... (n/t) - et - 5/11/2006 5:19:49 PM
- RealClimate.org was all over that one early. - et - 5/11/2006 1:26:53 AM
  - re: RealClimate.org - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2006 2:57:48 AM
    - Things are worse not better if warming causes all of the CO2 increase we find in the fossile record - alcaray - 5/11/2006 10:13:19 PM
    - Did you read this? - et - 5/11/2006 6:41:32 PM
      - Common sense and reason. - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2006 7:28:35 PM
        
        Re: the linked jpeg. Current levels of atmospheric CO2 is 380ppm and climbing. Think about how that fits into your natural cycle.... (n/t) - et - 5/12/2006 3:04:00 AM
        
        Your's is suspended in this topic apparently. - end transmission - 5/12/2006 3:01:43 AM
        
        re: Yours is suspended in this topic apparently. - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2006 3:34:36 AM
        
        re: Yours is suspended in this topic apparently. - Doug Ellison - 5/12/2006 9:25:47 AM
        
        Care? Yes. Do something stupid? No. - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2006 9:28:19 PM
        
        re: Care? Yes. Do something stupid? No. - Doug Ellison - 5/12/2006 10:06:55 PM
        
        re: Yes. - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2006 8:11:52 AM
        
        political hacks - et - 5/12/2006 5:32:37 AM
        
        Political weapon - azstrummer - 5/11/2006 8:52:11 PM
        
        re: Political weapon - Tom Brosz - 5/12/2006 3:30:17 AM
        
        re: Political weapon - azstrummer - 5/12/2006 7:58:24 PM
        
        re: Political weapon - Tom Brosz - 5/13/2006 8:19:39 AM
        
        re: Political weapon - Elisee Reclus - 5/13/2006 2:20:24 PM
    - Are you ignoring the CO2 released from human hydrocarbon combustion on purpose? (n/t) - et - 5/11/2006 5:18:31 PM
    - The better side of judgement... - Donald - 5/11/2006 12:53:55 PM
      - Now you sound like Bush and Iraq... - Tom Brosz - 5/11/2006 4:50:55 PM
      - re: The other side of judgement... - Jack Herer - 5/11/2006 2:48:42 PM
        
        re: The other side of judgement... - Doug Ellison - 5/11/2006 4:32:04 PM
        
        re: The other side of judgement... - azstrummer - 5/11/2006 4:42:53 PM
      - I need some air. (n/t) - SDF - 5/11/2006 1:22:20 PM
        
        The Yes Men "help" executives survive global warming - ljk - 5/12/2006 3:41:13 PM

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