Planetary Federalism

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Planetary Federalism

Robert — 10/1/2006 2:47:13 AM (archived)

It's good we have a basic agreement on something...but I find some your skepticism a bit hard to follow.

"Most modern "one world government" people and groups are collectivists and Marxists." I have to apply a steep discount because your Marxist/collectivist brush is so wide. If somebody's truly a Marxist, I'd think they'd be pushing something other than a representative democracy, in which case it's pretty much a moot point. OTOH, if somebody you think is a Marxist/collectivist proposes a system of representative democracy substantially the same as ours, would you object simply because of the source? That's the sticking point for me when I read your post: It sounds awfully doctrinaire to turn up your nose at a planetary federal representative democracy just because "Marxists" and "collectivists" favor it too.

A subtler subtext is nagging at me too: The implication that there's a "wrong" outcome from representative democracy, other than voting to give it up completely (and even then you have to give at least grudging respect to a decision freely reached). It seems an illogical proposition to think that you can predict the outcome if people are given broad freedom; wouldn't you think that just the opposite would occur, that maximum freedom means minimum predictability?

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Why? - Bowser - 9/24/2006 7:03:09 PM
- re: Why? - Jim Dandy - 3/28/2009 1:13:15 AM
- A question directed at conservatives. NONE answered. - Bowser - 9/25/2006 9:17:09 PM
  - They've gotten their asses kicked in here to many times - azstrummer - 9/26/2006 12:09:55 AM
    - Asked and answered, your honor - FrankC - 9/26/2006 2:25:40 AM
      - It's only a partial ass-kicking, I'd say - Robert - 9/26/2006 4:53:28 PM
        
        Radicals - FrankC - 9/26/2006 6:33:27 PM
        
        "the Government should fear the people" - Robert - 9/26/2006 8:39:21 PM
        
        Hmmm, The Confederacy reborn - FrankC - 9/26/2006 8:58:25 PM
        
        I could live with it - Robert - 9/28/2006 10:33:58 PM
        
        So are you Robert... - Lee - 9/30/2006 6:43:01 AM
        
        I'm not sure our world is big enough - FrankC - 9/30/2006 2:22:06 AM
        
        re: I'm not sure our world is big enough - Robert - 9/30/2006 8:15:10 PM
        
        One world government - Tom Brosz - 10/1/2006 2:34:16 AM
        
        Planetary Federalism - Robert - 10/1/2006 2:47:13 AM
        
        And on representative democracy... - Tom Brosz - 10/2/2006 4:07:54 AM
        
        re: And on representative democracy... - Robert - 10/4/2006 4:53:01 PM
        
        I'm not sure that the example you list... - alcaray - 10/3/2006 6:24:36 PM
        
        Key word: "constitutional." - Tom Brosz - 10/3/2006 6:59:31 PM
        
        re: Key word: "constitutional." - azstrummer - 10/3/2006 11:43:53 PM
        
        National shame - Tom Brosz - 10/4/2006 12:24:51 AM
        
        re: National shame - azstrummer - 10/4/2006 3:27:14 PM
        
        re: Planetary Federalism - Tom Brosz - 10/2/2006 3:47:50 AM
        
        re: Planetary Federalism - Robert - 10/3/2006 1:38:32 AM
        
        Feel better. - Tom Brosz - 10/3/2006 4:08:04 AM
        
        Gee Frank, you're sounding a lot like me. - Lee - 9/30/2006 6:34:30 AM
        
        re: Gee Frank, you're sounding a lot like me. - FrankC - 10/1/2006 2:27:33 AM
        
        You could? I couldn't. - Mary Anne - 9/29/2006 1:49:40 PM
        
        Sure ya could - Robert - 9/29/2006 4:46:04 PM
        
        Sounds like giving up - azstrummer - 9/29/2006 7:08:26 PM
        
        Nah - Robert - 9/29/2006 10:22:25 PM
        
        You da man.... (n/t) - azstrummer - 9/29/2006 11:35:53 PM
        
        re: Sounds like giving up - REB - 9/29/2006 9:26:19 PM
        
        Pleasantly suprised - azstrummer - 9/26/2006 10:55:14 PM
      - The question was WHY? Got an answer? (n/t) - Bowser - 9/26/2006 4:39:58 AM
        
        Why? - FrankC - 9/26/2006 6:24:41 AM
        
        I'm with Frank: Why what, Bowser? - alcaray - 9/26/2006 5:11:05 PM
        
        " our unsatisfactory situation in Iraq is due to piss poor planning and blunders by Bush and company." - Lindy - 9/26/2006 2:47:25 PM
        
        You seem to get confused very easily. And often. - Bowser - 9/26/2006 6:41:29 AM
        
        Me confused? - FrankC - 9/26/2006 7:27:52 AM
      - Just strike me down Sire!..... (n/t) - RobVG - 9/26/2006 2:32:36 AM
        
        Illegitimi Non Carborundum :) (n/t) - FrankC - 9/26/2006 3:04:33 AM
    - It's hard to fight with one hand tied behind your back... - RobVG - 9/26/2006 12:15:52 AM
      - C'mon over.......the water's fine - Lindy - 9/26/2006 1:16:48 AM
        
        Can't, quite, capitulate.... - RobVG - 9/26/2006 2:17:14 AM
        
        re: Can't, quite, capitulate.... - azstrummer - 9/26/2006 11:05:54 PM
        
        re: Can't, quite, capitulate.... - Lindy - 9/26/2006 2:46:24 PM
- No matter how this turns out, they'll find a way to blame it all on the liberals. (n/t) - cjburke - 9/24/2006 7:20:08 PM
  - Only if no one bothers to ask the question, "Who's in charge here?" (n/t) - Mary Anne - 9/24/2006 7:53:53 PM

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