The start of the HMO began in Nixon's Oval Office

Eric — 6/21/2007 10:50:34 PM (archived)

February 17, 1971
5:30 p.m.

Ehrlichman: "We have now narrowed down the vice president's problem on this thing to one issue and that is whether we should include these Health Maintenance Organizations like Edgar Kaiser's Permanente thing."

Nixon: "Now let me ask you...you know I'm not too keen on any of these damn medical programs."

Ehrlichman: "This is a private enterprise one."

Nixon: "Well that appeals to me."

Ehrlichman: "Edgar Kaiser is running this Permanente deal for profit and the reason he can do it...I had Edgar Kaiser come in, talk to me about this, and I went into some depth. All the incentives are toward less medical care. Because the less care they give them, the more money they make."

Nixon: "Fine."

Ehrlichman: "...and the incentives run the right way."

Nixon: "Not bad."

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Sicko - Eric - 6/17/2007 2:30:08 PM
- The start of the HMO began in Nixon's Oval Office - Eric - 6/21/2007 10:50:34 PM
  - re: The start of the HMO began in Nixon's Oval Office - Lindy - 6/22/2007 12:37:01 AM
    - Ted Kennedy - TB - 6/22/2007 9:04:01 PM
      - Thanks for some of the background on this - Lindy - 6/22/2007 10:03:37 PM
    - I transcribed this from Sicko (n/t) - Eric - 6/22/2007 10:02:27 AM
  - Ted Kennedy was the champion of the HMO. - Lee - 6/22/2007 12:27:57 AM
- Movie Trailer Available - Lindy - 6/20/2007 6:18:33 PM
  - Here's a guy who thinks Moore is a jack a$$ - Lindy - 6/21/2007 1:08:16 AM
    - He's a comedian. Lives in Beverly Hills. (n/t) - TB - 6/21/2007 5:16:31 AM
      - re: He's a comedian. Lives in Beverly Hills. - Lindy - 6/21/2007 2:43:24 PM
- Good grief. - TB - 6/17/2007 8:13:02 PM
  - TB..I am on board with you on this one - Jody - 6/21/2007 1:40:38 PM
    - I pay with cash. - Lee - 6/22/2007 10:43:01 PM
    - Agreed, Moore went too far... and he needs to apologize - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 7:35:02 PM
      - Link - TB - 6/21/2007 8:40:37 PM
        
        Thanks, I looked for it but couldnt find it - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 9:09:49 PM
  - re: Good grief. - Yeti - 6/17/2007 8:15:24 PM
    - re: Good grief. - TB - 6/17/2007 8:30:15 PM
      - The numbers will doubtless comfort the families who were denied insurance or denied service on policies they thought they had. - Mary Anne - 6/17/2007 8:53:11 PM
        
        Again... - TB - 6/17/2007 9:19:31 PM
      - re: Good grief. - Yeti - 6/17/2007 8:47:46 PM
        
        Numbers - TB - 6/17/2007 10:37:06 PM
        
        Liberal myth. I'm sure it doesn't happen. - Yeti - 6/17/2007 11:09:43 PM
        
        re: Liberal myth - TB - 6/17/2007 11:49:51 PM
        
        The problem -- "insurance" doesn't work for health - dtb - 6/18/2007 7:44:36 PM
        
        This is one reason I really like Romney. - Lee - 6/18/2007 3:34:17 AM
        
        Thanks for reminding me of that. - Eri - 6/18/2007 12:56:06 PM
        
        In many ways, the "Christian Right" is the middle of the country. - Lee - 6/18/2007 11:03:03 PM
        
        Everyone claims to be in the middle. (n/t) - alcaray - 6/20/2007 9:27:17 PM
        
        I got news for you - Eri - 6/19/2007 2:37:53 AM
        
        My feelings on this are complicated... - ARRELL - 6/19/2007 10:18:11 PM
        
        Kudos to you! (n/t) - Eri - 6/20/2007 12:28:19 AM
        
        Why? - ARRELL - 6/20/2007 5:06:07 AM
        
        Yes, but a lot of them don't (n/t) - Eri - 6/20/2007 5:06:02 PM
        
        When did I say make it illegal? - Lee - 6/19/2007 2:57:15 AM
        
        " It's kind of like having your nail beds ripped out to keep from having to trim them. " - Lindy - 6/19/2007 10:15:30 PM
        
        I was talking about both. - Lee - 6/20/2007 3:29:20 AM
        
        "Men always have an opinion on abortion, but THEY rarely take precautions THEMSELVES" - ARRELL - 6/19/2007 11:29:35 PM
        
        graphic content - alcaray - 6/20/2007 9:11:44 PM
        
        YIKES - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 6:33:31 AM
        
        re: YIKES - alcaray - 6/21/2007 9:37:44 PM
        
        The wrong kind - Lindy - 6/22/2007 12:47:52 AM
        
        re: YIKES - TB - 6/21/2007 7:02:42 PM
        
        LOL (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 7:37:59 PM
        
        re: graphic content - Lindy - 6/21/2007 12:28:43 AM
        
        Arrell... - Jody - 6/20/2007 7:26:39 AM
        
        Umm if you thought I said anything significant, I am sorry - ARRELL - 6/20/2007 8:56:11 AM
        
        Common sense is becoming an extinct concept *sigh* (n/t) - Jody - 6/20/2007 1:23:36 PM
        
        Not for all of us (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/21/2007 9:33:59 PM
        
        :) I guess i meant 'the post above' (n/t) - ARRELL - 6/19/2007 11:56:30 PM
        
        You didn't say to make it illlegal - Eri - 6/19/2007 3:37:07 AM
        
        re: Liberal Fantasies aside - Yeti - 6/18/2007 12:03:35 AM
        
        ciao (n/t) - FrankC - 6/19/2007 5:47:13 PM
- Sum up the money we have spent in Iraq, and will spend in Iraq - Yeti - 6/17/2007 6:29:58 PM
  - re: Sum up the money we have spent in Iraq, and will spend in Iraq - gbaikie - 6/17/2007 8:23:19 PM
    - Michael Moore interview on Democracy Now - ds - 6/18/2007 8:43:39 PM

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