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Current events - E.P., the heretic - 12/6/2005 3:07:14 PM
- It would make a great TV Series. - Scott Evil - 12/6/2005 5:06:29 PM

2,132 - Donald - 12/6/2005 3:02:58 PM

Hah, hah, hee hee!! "WASHINGTON (AP) - Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Monday the American public should be optimistic about the situation in Iraq, - - - " ho ho ho heh heh - he's such a ca… - Bowser - 12/6/2005 1:19:33 AM

Democratic Senator Rants About Iraq War! - Buck Galaxy - 12/3/2005 7:35:35 AM
- Joe appeared with Sean Hannity and talked about the war..... - Publius - 12/3/2005 8:20:55 PM
  - So, did you vote for the war hero or the draft dodger in '96? - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2005 10:01:44 PM
    - The Military constituency? well let's see Tom - Publius - 12/4/2005 4:43:04 AM
      - re: The Military constituency - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2005 8:06:27 PM
        
        re: The Military constituency - Publlius - 12/5/2005 7:52:41 PM
        
        Did that irrelevant response take you all night to think up? - Tom Brosz - 12/5/2005 8:52:10 PM
- On this issue Lieberman represents Israel, not Conneticut. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/3/2005 3:52:25 PM
  - Wondered how long it would take for someone to pop up with that old chestnut. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2005 9:56:52 PM
- Yeah, Israel likes US troops between Iran and Syria - E.P., the heretic - 12/3/2005 3:45:04 PM

Cheney headlines a fundraiser for Rep. Tom DeLay in Houston today - Bowser - 12/5/2005 3:25:11 PM

Buying media influence - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2005 10:30:13 PM
- When you can't argue the facts, smear the messenger. Get's old. - Bowser - 12/3/2005 11:09:50 PM
  - So you see nothing wrong with a major media organ on the take? - Sam F. - 12/4/2005 4:41:06 AM
    - Wouldn't like that at all. And one gets tired of deny, lie and smear. - Bowser - 12/4/2005 6:27:07 AM
      - Mental singularity - Tom Brosz - 12/4/2005 8:00:10 PM
        
        The point? - Sam F. - 12/5/2005 6:09:07 AM
  - re:smear the messenger - Tom Brosz - 12/3/2005 11:46:50 PM

None of their GDed business if the CIA has taken over KGB prisons: "Rice 'to talk tough on CIA claim' " - Bowser - 12/5/2005 5:39:19 AM

The CBS defense - "We did it, but it was the truth!" And you know how that upset our neocons. - Bowser - 12/2/2005 3:36:48 AM
- Perspective - Larry J - 12/2/2005 2:26:47 PM
  - What do you think of Joseph Goebbels? - Bowser - 12/2/2005 7:57:04 PM
  - "Propaganda is an age old tool of war that doesn't kill anyone" - tony - 12/2/2005 4:24:58 PM
    - Propaganda in and of itself doesn't kill anyone, but you're right... - Larry J - 12/2/2005 7:49:21 PM
      - Keep in mind GK Chesterton,,,,,,, - Publius - 12/3/2005 8:30:58 PM
      - Hasn't Bush mentioned establishing a free press in Iraq? - alcaray - 12/2/2005 7:53:47 PM
        
        There are hundreds of newspapers in Iraq now... - Larry J - 12/2/2005 8:07:10 PM
        
        Amazing, isn't it? - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 8:59:00 PM
        
        Gun. Foot. ***BANG!!!*** - Mary Anne - 12/4/2005 11:45:32 PM
        
        "I'm George W. Bush, and I approve this message..." - Fox - 12/5/2005 12:21:36 AM
        
        Missing the big picture - Sam F. - 12/3/2005 5:16:20 AM

Iraq and the failure to communicate - Donald - 12/4/2005 2:41:09 PM
- Meanwhile: 2,129 - Donald - 12/4/2005 2:42:48 PM
  - And: Former 9/11 Commissioners: U.S. at Risk - Donald - 12/4/2005 8:23:00 PM

Another High-Ranking Terrorist Killed in Pakistan - David F Mayer - 12/4/2005 12:56:21 AM
- Pakistan gov't is very leery of publically acknowledging US role - sz - 12/4/2005 2:30:44 AM
  - The re-education of the population is a long-term goal. - David F Mayer - 12/4/2005 3:36:10 AM
    - You just make things up, don't you. For instance, aren't you the DF who said - - - - Bowser - 12/4/2005 7:21:38 AM
      - Perhaps you missed the post about Jordan. - David F Mayer - 12/4/2005 6:56:23 PM
      - Take a look at a map. There are many tiny settlements which - David F Mayer - 12/4/2005 6:53:35 PM

A medical first in France - Raoul - 12/3/2005 9:16:13 AM

Looks like everyone is sitting on the Office of Special Plans scandal - E.P. - 12/3/2005 1:04:39 AM

2,127 - Donald - 12/3/2005 1:00:01 AM

GAS...$1.95 gal in NE - carl - 12/2/2005 8:58:19 PM
- For the clueless living in Fantasyland - E.P., the heretic - 12/3/2005 12:57:23 AM
- Insidious law... - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 9:04:42 PM
  - TEMPS goes down in country - carl - 12/2/2005 9:34:17 PM

Finally, a brighter spot - "Payrolls grew by 215,000 in November" - Bowser - 12/2/2005 7:44:06 PM
- "Finally?" - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 8:16:38 PM
  - War and deficit spending are wasteful and expensive, but result in jobs. - Bowser - 12/2/2005 11:47:15 PM

Say it ain't so!! "U.S. Military Covertly Pays to Run Stories in Iraqi Press" - Bowser - 12/1/2005 12:57:14 AM
- Well, the L.A. Times ought to know something about propaganda. - Tom Brosz - 12/1/2005 3:38:04 AM
  - DOD or someone is paying LATimes to write stories a particular way? - alcaray - 12/1/2005 11:29:49 PM
    - PS: Wouldn't your post come under the heading of staring at Bowser's pointing finger? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/1/2005 11:31:17 PM
  - Why don't they buy ads? That would be honest. - Bowser - 12/1/2005 5:22:10 AM
    - As I pointed out below... - Tom Brosz - 12/1/2005 5:52:43 AM
      - You screamed yer guts out about CBS. Heh, heh. Bush has corrupted all yer sources. And you bitch about the media. - Bowser - 12/1/2005 6:04:09 AM
        
        "All news sources?" So, how does MSNBC remain uncorrupted? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/1/2005 6:41:34 PM
        
        Assure me that yer propaganda isn't paid propaganda. Covertly paid. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/1/2005 8:48:58 PM
        
        Propaganda for political purposes is no better than propaganda for money. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 2:25:31 AM
        
        Do you have crush on Tom? ;-) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/1/2005 8:10:48 AM
        
        I didn't know Tom had a lobotomy? (n/t) - Publius - 12/1/2005 9:05:08 PM
        
        Hey, it's hush hush. - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/2/2005 11:26:51 PM
        
        It's called debate (n/t) - alcaray - 12/1/2005 6:13:18 PM
        
        Oh, Ok. Sure. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 12/1/2005 6:34:20 PM
- Psychological Warfare is not new. What's the problem? - David F Mayer - 12/1/2005 2:45:26 AM
  - For a group that's done everything in their power... - alcaray - 12/1/2005 11:45:09 PM

A Documentary Banned in the US "Afghan Massacre: Convoy of Death" - Jack Herer - 12/1/2005 11:42:50 PM
- Independent verification of the massacre, along with Pentagon refusal to cooperate. - Bowser - 12/2/2005 2:33:27 AM
  - Can you provide a link to your source, or offer a specific citation it if it's not online? (n/t) - McFly - 12/2/2005 2:02:46 PM
    - re: Can you provide a link to your source, or offer a specific citation it if it's not online? - Bowser - 12/2/2005 3:54:54 PM
      - Thank you - McFly - 12/2/2005 6:15:31 PM
    - MSNBC/Newsweek, of course. - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 3:22:55 PM
      - MSNBC is a good place to go to find what AP is saying about a story - alcaray - 12/2/2005 6:23:02 PM
        
        Logically, you're right - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 7:38:40 PM
        
        Once I hit a certain amount of BS I tend to tune out a source - alcaray - 12/2/2005 7:56:49 PM
- Complete BS - R.L. - 12/2/2005 2:17:30 AM
  - The real story - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 2:40:18 AM
    - On the other side, there are those who say the US doesn't torture. - Bowser - 12/2/2005 2:44:42 AM
  - You may want to erase the above comment. - Bowser - 12/2/2005 2:34:51 AM

More Abuse By Occupation Forces - Mark Eby - 12/2/2005 3:02:21 AM
- re: Some differences - Raoul - 12/2/2005 7:40:59 PM
- One major difference between that our lads n lasses - tony - 12/2/2005 4:27:32 PM

Doing the work of our enemies... - McFly - 12/2/2005 6:30:31 PM

Another update on New Orleans floodwalls - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 4:30:47 PM

Economic update - Tom Brosz - 11/30/2005 8:08:40 PM
- Jobs market recovering nicely. - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 4:27:44 PM
- re: Economic update - azstrummer - 12/1/2005 11:52:04 PM
  - Housing Bubble... Not in my neighborhood. - Scott Evil (SEN News) - 12/2/2005 1:25:46 AM
    - re: Housing Bubble... Not in my neighborhood. - azstrummer - 12/2/2005 3:23:25 AM
- I expect it to slow slightly in the next year. - Scott Evil (SEN News) - 11/30/2005 9:04:58 PM
  - re: I expect it to slow slightly in the next year. - Tom Brosz - 11/30/2005 11:30:00 PM
    - re: "...paint the current economy as a bad one." - alcaray - 11/30/2005 11:53:11 PM
      - re: "...paint the current economy as a bad one." - Tom Brosz - 12/1/2005 12:11:57 AM

Prez HAS a plan............. - Publius - 11/30/2005 12:48:14 PM
- What is the Democrats' plan? - Scott Evil - 11/30/2005 2:59:02 PM
  - It's no win. The neocon geniuses have created an absolutely no win situation. - Bowser - 12/1/2005 5:37:58 AM
  - Proposed Demo plan........... - Publius - 11/30/2005 10:41:00 PM
    - Usual Demo plan: do something dumb and pretend it worked. See also: social engineering. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 11/30/2005 11:31:05 PM
      - Uhh Tom, that was a Republican tatic, like "mission accomplished"..... (n/t) - Publius - 12/1/2005 8:20:17 PM
      - jeez, isn't 'regime change' is all about 'social engineering'? (n/t) - Daniel - 12/1/2005 2:25:49 AM
      - See also: Bowsers post at top of page........source for the Iraq news you keep posting Tom...... (n/t) - Publius - 12/1/2005 1:46:12 AM
        
        I'm not getting my news from Iraqi newspapers. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/1/2005 3:40:35 AM
      - do something dumb and pretend it worked. BS. Bush Strategy, that is. (n/t) - Bowser - 12/1/2005 12:50:18 AM
    - Thanks for the Democrat's plan. - Scott Evil (Former leader TOWG) - 11/30/2005 10:50:45 PM
      - Coffee smelling time dude! - Publius - 12/1/2005 1:51:01 AM
        
        re: Coffee smelling time dude! - azstrummer - 12/2/2005 4:15:22 AM
      - Same plan. Just takes longer and kills more Americans. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/1/2005 12:06:22 AM
  - Who is Prez? Who got us into this mess? Who's responsibility is it? Please be serious. (n/t) - Bowser - 11/30/2005 5:51:08 PM
    - re: Well then follow the leader or shut up. (n/t) - Scott Evil - 11/30/2005 6:40:14 PM
      - Those are not alternatives, but two different ways to say the same thing. (n/t) - Mary Anne - 11/30/2005 11:32:28 PM

Lieberman's article - Tom Brosz - 11/30/2005 5:21:30 AM
- re: Lieberman's article - azstrummer - 12/2/2005 4:04:08 AM
- re: Thanks Tom - SteveS - 12/1/2005 3:15:52 PM
  - Somebody has to do it. - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 2:29:28 AM

For those looking for an exit strategy - "A foolish war's price" - Bowser - 12/1/2005 4:19:22 PM
- A comment from Jerry Pournelle - Tom Brosz - 12/1/2005 5:14:20 PM
  - And when have the hawks been right yet? On being welcomed? WMDs? - Bowser - 12/1/2005 8:47:22 PM
    - For the record, Pournelle doesn't think we should have invaded Iraq. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/2/2005 2:17:00 AM
    - re: And when have the hawks been right yet? On being welcomed? WMDs? - azstrummer - 12/1/2005 11:25:44 PM
      - re: Carter wasn't honest. Remember when he leaked the stealth Fighter in order to enhance his "Pro-military image" - Scott Evil - 12/2/2005 1:19:55 AM
        
        re: Carter wasn't honest. Remember when he leaked the stealth Fighter in order to enhance his "Pro-military image" - azstrummer - 12/2/2005 3:52:17 AM

What happens when "Iraqization" takes place. - Bowser - 12/2/2005 2:50:01 AM

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