Zubrin didn't fly into Toronto with dozens of boxes of books and there where no boxes at every door at any of the five buildings we used.

NOT TRUE. THEY WERE THERE IN DROVES. COVERING FOR SOMEONE CHRIS?

You clearly don't know anything about nonprofits and what they can and can't be profitable with. Not like Zubrin selling books could be profitable. Ask Robert of Univelt if he was not there selling books!

FUNNY, I WAS TOLD ONLY ZUBRIN COULD SELL HIS BOOKS ALONE THAT DAY.

And I guess we need to ask Pillinger if this it true...

"PILLINGER CALLED THE MARS SOCIETY A LIAR REMEMBER? "

DID YOU READ THE SPACE.COM REPORT? MAYBE PILLINGER DOESN'T USE THE WORD LIAR, BUT THAT IS CLEARLY WHAT HE IMPLIES IN A NICE WAY -- SO AS NOT TO UPSET A GROUP OF OBSSESED PEOPLE WHO'S ONLY THOUGHTS ABOUT MARS ARE SEEING FALGS AND FOOTPRINTS ALL OVER IT. HOW VAIN.

Star Trek? Where did you see folks dressed in Analog Spacesuits at the Toronto Convention, Barry? You supposition is false, but yeah I'm sure that won't stop you babbling on in caps...

CAPS ARE TO SHOW WHO'S WHO HERE. HERE'S THE LINK TO THE MARS NUTS IN CANVAS SPACE SUITS FOIR THE UPTEENTH TIME:

http://shockandawe.us/archives/Science/020323a.htm

Life Inside Tall Tin Can in Utah Is All Mars
BLAINE HARDEN . NY Times . 23 march 2002

"They go outside in white canvas space suits trimmed in duct tape. Their helmets are made from plastic light fixtures and white bullet-shaped trash-can lids. In their habitation module (the thing that looks like a silo), they sit with their laptops late into the cold desert night, typing up reports of simulated Mars disasters."

PITIFUL, SIMPLY PITIFUL.

If you can't figure out what the difference is between folks changing designings and modifying equipment while doing science like geology or biology and then publishing articles in science journals are and people trying hard to make exact copies of SF hardware then I can't help you.

RIGHT! JUST LIKE YOUR POST A FEW DAYS AGO ABOUT HOW YOU THOUGHT WHAT THE MARS SOCIETY IS DOING WITH THEIR FAKE MARS MISSION IN UTAH IS THE SAME KIND OF SIMULATION THE APOLLO ASTRONAUTS WENT THROUGH. BULL. TAKE YOUR MARS FANASY ELSEWHERE...I DON'T BUY IT AND NEVER WILL. IT IS BOGUS IS AS BOGUS DOES - NO REAL SCIENCE - JUST THEATRICS. MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL GET YOUR SAG CARDS? SCREEN ACTORS GUILD.

BD