barry wrote: NOT TRUE. THEY WERE THERE IN DROVES. COVERING FOR SOMEONE CHRIS?

Chris writes(like I need to make this distinction): I was there with about a half dozen other Washingtonians, Barry. What do I have to do get someone else to post here? There where boxes of Zubrin's books at a table being sold. I bought one. I also bought two books from the book dealer at the Convention. Yeah, I'm covering for big Bobbie Zubrin. Got to hide the vast wealth he makes from those books. What a freaken paranoid you are!

barry wrote: FUNNY, I WAS TOLD ONLY ZUBRIN COULD SELL HIS BOOKS ALONE THAT DAY.

Chris writes: Who told you this? A voice inside your head?

Chris wrote: And I guess we need to ask Pillinger if this it true...
"PILLINGER CALLED THE MARS SOCIETY A LIAR... "

barry wrote: DID YOU READ THE SPACE.COM REPORT? MAYBE PILLINGER DOESN'T USE THE WORD LIAR, BUT THAT IS CLEARLY WHAT HE IMPLIES IN A NICE WAY -- SO AS NOT TO UPSET A GROUP OF OBSSESED PEOPLE WHO'S ONLY THOUGHTS ABOUT MARS ARE SEEING FALGS AND FOOTPRINTS ALL OVER IT. HOW VAIN.

Chris writes: Barry you must be either a very courageous or stupid person. The British take a very dim view of this putting words in folks mouths. I'm not kidding when I say I will email this whole caps babbling BS to Pillinger if you don't retract it. He in no way called the Mars Society liars you did in his name!

Chris wrote: Star Trek? Where did you see folks dressed in Analog Spacesuits at the Toronto Convention, Barry? You supposition is false, but yeah I'm sure that won't stop you babbling on in caps...

barry wrote: CAPS ARE TO SHOW WHO'S WHO HERE. HERE'S THE LINK TO THE MARS NUTS IN CANVAS SPACE SUITS FOIR THE UPTEENTH TIME:

Chris writes: I didn't ask for a link to something I've read long ago. Hum, no you suggested that you saw canvas spacesuited folks wondering around while at our Convention. As you tried to compare the Mars Society Convetion to Star Trek Cons. Caps are used by nuts to SHOUT their point across! Are you saying your not nuts? Just incredibly lazy? How come your not doing the same elsewhere here at HZ?

Chris wrote: If you can't figure out what the difference is between folks changing designings and modifying equipment while doing science like geology or biology and then publishing articles in science journals are and people trying hard to make exact copies of SF hardware then I can't help you.

barry wrote: RIGHT! JUST LIKE YOUR POST A FEW DAYS AGO ABOUT HOW YOU THOUGHT WHAT THE MARS SOCIETY IS DOING WITH THEIR FAKE MARS MISSION IN UTAH IS THE SAME KIND OF SIMULATION THE APOLLO ASTRONAUTS WENT THROUGH. BULL. TAKE YOUR MARS FANASY ELSEWHERE...I DON'T BUY IT AND NEVER WILL. IT IS BOGUS IS AS BOGUS DOES - NO REAL SCIENCE - JUST THEATRICS. MAYBE YOU GUYS SHOULD ALL GET YOUR SAG CARDS? SCREEN ACTORS GUILD

Chris writes: Hum, I guess it is pointless to try to discuss anything with you as you change the subject when confronted with truth or go off on a rant. I know you have formed a religion around the Apollo Moon Landings and sacred events can't be compared with such mundane canvas suited, trash can wearing, Mars folks doing science. So when the Moon Society finally gets around to building their HAB near Las Vegas and start doing similar things to what TMS does at MDRS...what then?

--Chris Vancil