Facts please, not sound bites...

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Facts please, not sound bites...

jms — 2/27/2004 1:48:37 AM (archived)

"Estimates are that ANWR could produce the amount of oil we currently import from Saudi Arabia for upwards of 30 years."

WHAT? Whose figures are those? On a field that has never even had exploration drilling? These are not proven reserves, they are not even probable reserves, they are a sales pitch based upon very little data. Gimme a number in billions of barrels, and it's source. Sorry but it sounds like something out of the energy task force, a sound bite to dupe a non-questioning public. I, for one don't believe it, not for a minute.

And the biggest problem with natural gas is transporting it to the market. Everytime you see a picture of an oil rig and there is that big flame burning, that's natural gas! They can't store it, and there are no pipelines to get it to us. There are plans to build a pipeline through Canada from Alaska (adding more of the Canadian gas as it goes, but the project is so hampered by political stupidity that all that gas just burns, doing no go at all. It's a discusting shame.

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The View From The Summit of the Petroleum Curve - jms - 2/25/2004 12:31:19 AM
- Difference between discovery curves and production curves - jms - 2/27/2004 1:51:43 AM
- The article doesn't really say that - ebnelson - 2/25/2004 4:47:55 AM
  - only from the headline on down (n/t) - jms - 2/25/2004 6:36:29 AM
    - Only if you don't read it. Don't forget:the NYT is lying to you (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/26/2004 2:29:23 AM
      - Everyone is lying to me, it comes from the top. - jms - 2/26/2004 5:40:52 AM
        
        No, just the NYT. SA has vast proven reserves untouched. - ebnelson - 2/26/2004 1:53:18 PM
        
        NYT article on Saudi Arabia...SA = Saudi Arabia. (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/27/2004 4:17:17 AM
        
        Thanks. If you read below you;ll see that I found that out - and you're still wrong.... (n/t) - Tony - 2/27/2004 7:47:14 PM
        
        Time will tell, chicken little/howard ruff/club of rome/etc. (n/t) - ebnelson - 2/28/2004 10:14:07 AM
        
        SA? As in South Africa? - Tony - 2/26/2004 3:11:40 PM
        
        I suspect he meant Saudi Arabia (n/t) - Larry J - 2/26/2004 8:32:41 PM
        
        D'oh - Tony - 2/26/2004 9:32:34 PM
        
        But his point remains - Larry J - 2/26/2004 10:49:58 PM
        
        ANWR Estimates and other stuff - Tony - 2/27/2004 3:29:54 PM
        
        Facts please, not sound bites... - jms - 2/27/2004 1:48:37 AM
        
        I suspect he meant South America, but how knows? It's ed. (n/t) - Bowser - 2/26/2004 8:44:06 PM
        
        Wasn't it Jimmy Carter.... - jms - 2/26/2004 2:59:07 PM
        
        Of course, as always, drilling for new reserves is completely out of the question. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/26/2004 6:39:28 AM
        
        Which of course shows that in fact the problem is a failure of the will of the end-of-the-world faction - ebnelson - 2/28/2004 10:17:21 AM
        
        Actually, I am doing something about it. - jms - 2/28/2004 10:40:49 PM
        
        Actually that is very interesting - ebnelson - 2/29/2004 4:49:30 PM
        
        I agree with that. (n/t) - jms - 2/29/2004 7:35:03 PM
        
        Bonus points for putting your money where your mouth is - Tom Brosz - 2/29/2004 9:33:17 AM
        
        I just believe in long term investments. - jms - 2/29/2004 6:41:44 PM
        
        Solar hydrogen fueling station - Tom Brosz - 3/1/2004 7:57:15 AM
- All we need is a 0.5% shortfall. - Bowser - 2/25/2004 12:59:07 AM
  - Running on Empty - S - 2/25/2004 3:48:09 AM
    - Grim. I didn't realize how grim. - Bowser - 2/25/2004 4:25:41 AM
      - We're walking off of a cliff - Gary - 2/25/2004 6:21:21 AM
        
        Too Pessimistic. The future will be Magnificent! - SDAI-Tech1 - 2/25/2004 7:30:01 AM
        
        re:And build a high speed train network!:) (n/t) - Raoul - 2/25/2004 6:45:28 AM
        
        Lessee. If I am in the US, and my job is in India - A train? (n/t) - Bowser - 2/26/2004 1:58:51 AM
        
        We are not French, we don't know how to build trains that work (n/t) - phil - 2/25/2004 5:57:30 PM
        
        re: trains that work - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 6:53:04 PM
        
        Building a high speed network makes even more sense if you've got a big-ass country to get around in. (n/t) - Tony - 2/25/2004 9:07:34 PM
        
        Relatively low population density makes high speed trains unviable in the US... - Larry J - 2/25/2004 11:00:12 PM
        
        Right. It's called airlines. (n/t) - gbaikie - 2/25/2004 9:24:37 PM
        
        What are they going to use for kerosene? - Gary - 2/26/2004 5:52:09 AM
        
        re: What are they going to use for kerosene? - gbaikie - 2/26/2004 10:03:48 PM
        
        Which are great if you got over 200 miles to go. Otherwise, not worth the hassle.... (n/t) - Tony - 2/25/2004 10:18:59 PM
        
        Considering the aforementioned hassle, I'd bet that threshold number is higher than 200 miles. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 2/26/2004 12:17:14 AM
        
        re: trains that work - gbaikie - 2/25/2004 7:58:21 PM
        
        re: re:And build a high speed train network!:) - Tom Brosz - 2/25/2004 6:52:09 AM
        
        re: We do, Tom . . . - D. Spires - 3/1/2004 9:44:15 PM

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