just please don't leave, either of you
even from the other side of the world, you both come over as substantial individuals - like the main 'North and South Poles' of HZ. Tom, you seem to annoy a lot of people at various times, but yes you do seem to listen, and I've also noticed times when you 'reduce' (or 'purify') ideological debates into a discussion on basic principles - that's good, and much more interesting.
