Shuttle shutdown savings?: Griffin or Zubrin

Buck Galaxy — 12/10/2005 7:29:59 AM (archived)

I've read comments from both Zubrin and Griffin (Sorry no links, I'm too lazy) on whether shutting down the shuttle will create significant savings that can be invested in a new HLLV. Zubrin seems to think it will. Griffin says it won't.

I suspect the answer here lies in HOW it is shut down. According to Griffin if we just kill the shuttle program the workforce needed for an HLLV will not stick around until the shuttle derived HLLV is ready. So we have to keep paying the workforce regardless of whether the shuttle is launching or not. This makes sense since it's cost apparently $15B (according to Zubrin-above link) to launch ONE shuttle flight since Columbia.

So why does Zubrin continue to insist we can make big savings shutting down the shuttle now? Is he misinformed or just lying?

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Shuttle shutdown savings?: Griffin or Zubrin - Buck Galaxy - 12/10/2005 7:29:59 AM
- Rarely works that way - alcaray - 12/13/2005 11:09:00 PM
  - Exactly! - E.P., the heretic - 12/14/2005 2:09:14 PM
    - Err. Then what about all your anti-Mars campaigning? (n/t) - alcaray - 12/14/2005 4:27:30 PM
      - Deleted EP post (n/t) - ModBob - 12/14/2005 10:56:21 PM
        
        Can you remind me what was wrong with it? - alcaray - 12/14/2005 11:43:16 PM
        
        re: Can you remind me what was wrong with it? - Chris Vancil - 12/14/2005 11:50:16 PM
        
        Thanks. Guess I did not notice. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/15/2005 5:45:16 PM
        
        re: Thanks. Guess I did not notice. - Chris Vancil - 12/15/2005 6:34:57 PM
        
        **If you feel that way, lets discuss it on community** - ModBob - 12/16/2005 5:43:53 PM
        
        re: **If you feel that way, lets discuss it on community** - Chris Vancil - 12/16/2005 9:42:58 PM
        
        "Mod Bob isn't consistence with this censorship." - E.P., the heretic - 12/16/2005 3:37:20 PM
        
        re: "Mod Bob isn't consistence with this censorship." - Chris Vancil - 12/16/2005 9:49:37 PM
- The Difference - Mark Eby - 12/10/2005 7:20:09 PM
  - PS - Mark Eby - 12/10/2005 7:44:59 PM
    - "Start with different requirements and you will end with different solutions." - E.P., the heretic - 12/11/2005 6:16:16 PM
      - re: "Start with different requirements and you will end with different solutions." - Mark Eby - 12/11/2005 11:28:57 PM
        
        re: "Start with different requirements and you will end with different solutions." - Nemo - 12/12/2005 5:48:29 PM
        
        "move on" to what? - E.P., the heretic - 12/13/2005 4:15:43 AM
        
        re: "move on" to what? - Nemo - 12/13/2005 4:13:24 PM
        
        re: "move on" to what? - Chris Vancil - 12/13/2005 9:27:00 AM
        
        Both the lack of awrareness of reality and the faulty logic are stunning - E.P., the heretic - 12/13/2005 2:14:50 PM
        
        re: Right back at you "Both the lack of awrareness of reality and the faulty logic are stunning" - Chris Vancil - 12/13/2005 10:46:49 PM
        
        and here was some poll which shows a different view - E.P., the heretic - 12/13/2005 4:36:38 AM
        
        re: and here was some poll which shows a different view - Chris Vancil - 12/13/2005 8:37:54 AM
        
        1989 Gallup poll - E.P., the heretic - 12/13/2005 4:40:41 AM
        
        re: 2005 Gallup poll - Chris Vancil - 12/13/2005 9:43:49 AM
        
        51% - but with ISS as ISS - E.P., the heretic - 12/13/2005 1:52:04 PM
        
        "the human missions of NASA need to be of public interest or risk loosing public support." - E.P., the heretic - 12/12/2005 1:12:39 AM
- neither one has a clue - E.P., the heretic - 12/10/2005 3:51:07 PM
  - re: You claim they don't have a clue... - Chris Vancil - 12/10/2005 7:31:30 PM
    - they're not the only ones (n/t) - E.P., the heretic - 12/11/2005 6:07:33 PM
      - re: Thanks Ed, admitting your clueless is the first step to acquiring knowledge. Here wishing you gaining some knowledge about the subject real soon. (n/t) - Chris Vancil - 12/12/2005 1:51:48 AM
  - DOD charged with impact hazard response - phil - 12/10/2005 3:54:47 PM
    - The Brown Ammendment will go through - E.P., the heretic - 12/10/2005 4:09:01 PM
      - and its language will include comets - E.P., the heretic - 12/10/2005 4:19:39 PM
- re: Shuttle shutdown savings?: Griffin or Zubrin - Sawyer - 12/10/2005 2:14:11 PM
  - Are they worth it? - Nemo - 12/10/2005 11:05:49 PM
  - The NASA Jobs Program - phil - 12/10/2005 3:53:27 PM
    - re: The NASA Jobs Program - Tom Brosz - 12/12/2005 6:23:18 AM
      - re: The NASA Jobs Program - Scott Evil - 12/13/2005 6:09:01 AM
    - re: And if it were not a jobs program? - Raoul - 12/10/2005 7:43:39 PM
      - re: And if it were not a jobs program? - Nemo - 12/10/2005 10:46:10 PM
        
        re: 3,000 km/h ? - Raoul - 12/10/2005 11:47:26 PM
        
        re: 3,000 km/h ? - Nemo - 12/12/2005 5:40:49 PM
- re: Shuttle shutdown savings?: Griffin or Zubrin - Raoul - 12/10/2005 11:48:43 AM
  - Putting foreign nations in the critical path - Buck Galaxy - 12/11/2005 8:02:46 AM
  - re: Shuttle shutdown savings?: Griffin or Zubrin - Nemo - 12/10/2005 10:50:46 PM

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