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re: Civil war was a worth the sacrifices......maybe.

SDAI-Tech1 — 1/13/2006 6:23:26 AM (archived)

Take away the civil war and divide peacefully and you would have two competitive nations fighting over raw materials and resources. The wild west would have been the new battlefields for exapnsion and conquest. Armed conflict would have arrived sooner or later anyway.

Had the rebellion of slaves you describe occurred in the separate south, we likely would have seen a mass slaughter of African American slaves and another human tragedy of a different kind. This mass slaughter might also spur another conflict between these two new nations at a later date as well.

The worst possible outcome would be the acceptable use of slaves by the Americas and throughout much of the west as they would be assimilated by the two powers. Even today, here we might very well see slaves, ownership certificates and auctions.

Industrialization wouldn't end slavery. It would merely change the slaves from farm labor to industrial labor. Firing furnaces, operating machinery and repairing it.

It has been my experience that the bigger the apparent evil, the greater the unseen good. This is why I know Iraq will give positive returns. Already it has forced a Middle East self-introspection like no other time in its history. The region desperately needs reforms and conflicts, bloodshed and suffering seem to be inescapable when pursuing such a course.

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Update on the Enlightened's dealings with Iraq as it builds atomic weapons - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2006 1:07:44 AM
- re: Why the war? - Raoul - 1/13/2006 10:38:13 PM
  - Ahhh, actually..... - Publius - 1/13/2006 11:07:14 PM
- Unforrtunately... - Donald - 1/13/2006 2:32:11 PM
  - So let me get this straight... - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2006 6:30:39 PM
    - Hasn't Don said that all along? (n/t) - Tony - 1/13/2006 8:29:32 PM
    - It prevents us from attacking AND it prevents us from doing effective sabre-rattling. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/13/2006 7:26:18 PM
      - re: It prevents us from attacking AND it prevents us from doing effective sabre-rattling. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2006 9:00:07 PM
        
        re: Mandela talked to Gadaffi - Raoul - 1/13/2006 9:50:41 PM
        
        I heard a different story - Tom Brosz - 1/14/2006 7:43:54 AM
        
        re: Nevertheless, the impetus started long before (n/t) - Raoul - 1/14/2006 10:08:13 AM
        
        Why doesn't Mandella work some of that magic with Iran. - Scott Evil - 1/13/2006 9:52:54 PM
        
        re: Iran is not part of Africa - Raoul - 1/13/2006 10:07:40 PM
  - Totally agree with you Donald on this one (n/t) - Lindy - 1/13/2006 5:50:27 PM
- Continued talks - Lindy - 1/11/2006 6:48:15 PM
- You make it sound like the US has no input. - Tony - 1/10/2006 8:45:37 PM
  - One solution - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2006 3:40:06 AM
- re: Iran v Iraq - Raoul - 1/10/2006 5:11:45 PM
- Sounds similar to our approach to the NK problem. Wake me up when they have had 6 years to deal with Iraq. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/10/2006 4:34:08 PM
- Shouldn't folks be concerned with getting nukes out of the Middle East? - Elwood Bowser - 1/10/2006 5:18:52 AM
- Should be "Iran" of course. Meanwhile... - Tom Brosz - 1/10/2006 1:39:49 AM
  - Gee, that sounds familiar? - Publius - 1/10/2006 2:58:30 PM
    - Yes, Publius. Sharia is exactly the same thing as U.S. democracy. - Tom Brosz - 1/11/2006 3:42:15 AM
      - Thank you....... - Publius - 1/12/2006 5:00:55 PM
        
        Yeah, and that's why you put freedom in quotes. - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/12/2006 10:21:13 PM
        
        Wow! That could be one interesting swimming pool..... (n/t) - Publius - 1/13/2006 4:50:41 PM
      - You know he did not say nor imply anything of the kind. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/11/2006 4:44:57 PM
        
        Nice try. - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2006 1:52:29 AM
        
        What people say is what people say. - alcaray - 1/12/2006 6:43:08 AM
        
        Oh give it a rest. - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/12/2006 8:07:16 AM
        
        re: Oh give it a rest. - Lindy - 1/12/2006 5:35:58 PM
        
        Classic cars can get boring after awhile. - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/12/2006 9:48:11 PM
        
        Civil war was a worth the sacrifices......maybe. - azstrummer - 1/12/2006 11:45:13 PM
        
        re: Civil war was a worth the sacrifices......maybe. - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/13/2006 6:23:26 AM
        
        As long as we are making up history here - alcaray - 1/13/2006 7:38:46 PM
        
        re: As long as we are making up history here - azstrummer - 1/13/2006 8:24:15 PM
        
        Tom knows (n/t) - alcaray - 1/14/2006 3:46:52 AM
        
        re: Civil war was a worth the sacrifices......maybe. - azstrummer - 1/13/2006 4:42:08 PM
        
        You might have a point. - Tom Brosz - 1/13/2006 12:33:07 AM
        
        re: You might have a point. - Lindy - 1/13/2006 5:52:54 AM
        
        Oh...and Publius was practicing Moral Equivalence too. ;-) (n/t) - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/12/2006 8:09:42 AM
        
        So you and Tom assert. - alcaray - 1/12/2006 4:11:20 PM
        
        Let's try it this way: - Tom Brosz - 1/12/2006 6:04:50 PM
        
        Great Ceasar's ghost! - alcaray - 1/12/2006 6:48:10 PM
        
        Blind leading the blind. - SDAI-Tech1 - 1/12/2006 9:59:12 PM
        
        re: Blind leading the blind. - azstrummer - 1/12/2006 11:56:32 PM
        
        Last post in this silly business - alcaray - 1/12/2006 10:57:40 PM
        
        re: So you and Tom assert. - Publius - 1/12/2006 5:09:25 PM
        
        It is a pet peeve of mine. It is so rude to the person you are talking to. (n/t) - alcaray - 1/12/2006 6:04:15 PM

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