"reliant on status quo"....Malthusian

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"reliant on status quo"....Malthusian

Sawyer — 3/21/2008 7:34:06 AM (archived)

We are not reliant on status quo. That is a very fallacious statement. Human kind hasn't experienced a status quo in quite some time. The movement of humans from caves to farms, then farms to factories, now from factories to offices providing services, back to homes (providing virtual services), has reflected humans capacity for change, and it has gotten steadily more rapid. If we couldn't adapt there is no way we would be feeding the current billions. They would have starved off long ago, if Malthusias concepts were the whole story.

With continuous improvement in automation, and efficiency of use of materials, conceptually humans could do quite nicely with the relatively mild changes due to global warming. As just one for instance, how much fresh water will be supplied by solar and wind powered desalinization in 100 years? I really think the anti-tech crowd underestimates human beings capacity to adapt and react to change.

Does anyone every consider that if there was the social will poverty could be wiped out in a generation (don't allow those that don't have resources to have children). (Yes, horrible and sinister implications of the power of the state over reproduction, but nonetheless potentially effective in controlling human population growth).

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Part 1: Global Warming and Sea Level Change READ TO THE END before responding - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 2:30:11 AM
- Temperature rise - Eri - 3/22/2008 5:59:03 PM
  - re: Temperature rise - gbaikie - 3/22/2008 8:44:16 PM
    - retry graph - gbaikie - 3/22/2008 8:48:45 PM
- How much new arable land becomes available due to a global warming cycle? - Sawyer - 3/19/2008 9:47:43 PM
  - For temperature rise on the low side of the range... - ARRELL - 3/20/2008 7:06:49 PM
    - "reliant on status quo"....Malthusian - Sawyer - 3/21/2008 7:34:06 AM
      - No, its not Malthusian... It is common sense - ARRELL - 3/22/2008 4:25:10 AM
        
        re: No, its not Malthusian... It is common sense - gbaikie - 3/22/2008 6:21:01 AM
        
        did you READ beyond the sentence that you cut and pasted? - ARRELL - 3/22/2008 6:45:24 AM
      - If Malthus were alive today he'd be spinning in his grave. - ER - 3/22/2008 12:13:36 AM
        
        You people are grotesque. (n/t) - ER - 3/22/2008 2:23:16 AM
        
        Money making proposition. - Lee - 3/22/2008 1:26:50 AM
        
        re: If Malthus were alive today he'd be spinning in his grave. - gbaikie - 3/22/2008 1:06:44 AM
        
        Thanks for dumbing it down, yet again - ARRELL - 3/22/2008 5:28:49 AM
        
        re: Thanks for dumbing it down, yet again - gbaikie - 3/22/2008 7:18:19 AM
      - Two points concerning poverty. - Lee - 3/21/2008 4:05:11 PM
    - re: For temperature rise on the low side of the range... - gbaikie - 3/21/2008 2:20:08 AM
      - I have a hard time deciding if you are actually this obteuse... - ARRELL - 3/21/2008 3:10:30 AM
        
        re: I have a hard time deciding if you are actually this obteuse... - gbaikie - 3/21/2008 6:30:17 AM
        
        I don't mean it as a flame, but you SERIOUSLY seem to WORK at missing to obvious points... - ARRELL - 3/21/2008 3:14:16 AM
  - The world will definitely be worse, much worse. - ER - 3/20/2008 1:32:20 AM
    - I disagree. - TAFKASE - 3/20/2008 5:17:34 PM
      - re: I disagree. - ER - 3/20/2008 6:44:40 PM
- re: Part 1: Global Warming and Sea Level Change READ TO THE END before responding - gbaikie - 3/19/2008 8:17:19 PM
- Thermocline and temperature structure of the ocean - nick hoffman - 3/19/2008 6:01:03 AM
  - "Mathematically, the thermal expansion will be almost exactly half what you calculate"- actually, no.... - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 7:12:24 AM
    - The factor's you cite of COURSE would have to go in any calculation claiming to be rigorous - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 3:24:31 PM
      - re: beta - nick hoffman - 3/19/2008 10:48:15 PM
        
        Reminds me of Drake's Equation. - Lee - 3/19/2008 11:28:53 PM
        
        That is true of any equation. (n/t) - Hank - 3/20/2008 12:36:03 AM
    - And that is really isn't the dominant factor.... (n/t) - ARRELLL - 3/19/2008 7:14:52 AM
      - Arrell has a point. That's kind of a nitpick. (n/t) - TB - 3/19/2008 1:30:15 PM
        
        re: Arrell has a point. That's kind of a nitpick. - gbaikie - 3/19/2008 6:20:17 PM
        
        re: Arrell has a point. That's kind of a nitpick. - gbaikie - 3/19/2008 7:01:15 PM
        
        re: Arrell has a point. That's kind of a nitpick. - gbaikie - 3/20/2008 10:43:58 AM
- Thermal expansion of ocean water. - podrock - 3/19/2008 3:44:43 AM
  - A FAR more detailed calculation - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 3:57:48 AM
    - ooops... more - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 4:06:42 AM
- re: Global Warming and Sea Level Change - TB - 3/19/2008 3:42:09 AM
  - re the antarctica data... - ARRELL - 3/20/2008 6:07:43 AM
  - Okay, are you sure you put the right link? - ARRELL - 3/20/2008 5:43:37 AM
    - Yes. - TB - 3/20/2008 3:43:55 PM
      - Whoa, hold on there...dont get so defensive! - ARRELL - 3/20/2008 6:39:20 PM
        
        re: Whoa, hold on there - TB - 3/20/2008 8:39:36 PM
  - I will go over the points in detail later today, but let me just say this now - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 4:00:21 PM
    - The other side of that coin - TB - 3/19/2008 4:53:56 PM
      - I don't think you will find a post by me ever claiming that there arent some alarmist statements out there... - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 8:47:21 PM
        
        Where the politics belongs... - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 9:32:36 PM
        
        Good post - TB - 3/19/2008 9:21:11 PM
        
        As I said: "I believe we can all agree that to make these decisions in ignorance, to ignore the science because we do not like what it says or who is saying it, is 'objectively' immoral no matter wha… - ARRELL - 3/19/2008 9:37:49 PM
  - sea ice extent currently is BELOW the recent mean - pwokenyaw - 3/19/2008 2:33:02 PM
    - P.S, - TB - 3/19/2008 3:02:08 PM
    - There's a global graph on the same site - TB - 3/19/2008 2:58:24 PM
      - my P.S. - pwokenyaw - 3/19/2008 4:03:56 PM
      - Is multi-year averaging sensible or not? - pwokenyaw - 3/19/2008 4:02:07 PM
        
        Trends - TB - 3/19/2008 4:47:50 PM
  - Ocean temperature update - TB - 3/19/2008 1:42:22 PM
- Arrrrgh, not sure how it became IIPC it should read IPCC (n/t) - arrell - 3/19/2008 2:32:51 AM

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