"These are signs of serious scientific debate, not "climate models suck" or "its an environmentalist power grab". There is a huge documented history of people ignoring harm to others if it hampers profits around the world. Unions and environmental groups sprang up justifiably to fight this. Many have gone astray and become unreasonable PETA types or self sustaining beuracracies , but they have never had more power than industry."
Of course anyone going to elementary school would be fed this kind of story.
But did Unions or did increasing levels of wealth [the creation of a huge middle class] create better working conditions?
As far as power, what laws issued by govt were created for "industry"- it's the govt dictating rules to "industry" rather than industry dictating what rules the govt and public must follow.
If America steel industry was powerful, there would laws preventing Americans from buying non American steel.
No one is going to get fined or sent to jail because they are selling un-american steel, but if in the future you sell a certain types of light bulb that will be against the law.
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- I know a climatologist in Japan who knows these people
- That's not fair...
- re: I know a climatologist in Japan who knows these people
- It's interesting.
- It IS interesting, isn't it?
- Scientific Skepticism Is Supposed To Based on Science Not Wishful Thinking
- But you don't understand...
- Evidence, ER.
- Motive, TB.
- re: Motive
- you missed the boat TB
- "It's amazing that I still haven't been able to get this simple point across."
- Your Point Is Clear Just Not Believable
- re: Motive, TB.
- re: Motive
- Motive, TB.
- Evidence, ER.
- re: Scientific Skepticism Is Supposed To Based on Science Not Wishful Thinking
- But you don't understand...
- re: It's interesting.
- Are they the ones that say that whaling doesn't affect whale population? (n/t)
- I know a climatologist in Japan who knows these people
