>"From my perspective the liberals are taking themselves too serious and the rhetoric is far too shrill and political."

Damn right! And it's NOW because there IS some ground for us "liberals" to gain, because we put up with EXACTLY the same thing from you and the conservatives in the months leading up to this "war" with Iraq. And now, that's it's not going so well, we have a right to rub your noses in it. Sorry if it ruins the "community spirit". Obviously you consider it YOUR community and that we "liberals" are just visitors.

I"ve always admired your posts, but not necessarily your views. But what you wrote over on CE, is a perfect example to me of your blind spot.
That you agreed going into Iraq is justified, and that it STILL IS , no matter what the cost in human lives......floors me.

Your comment under "Hardly Surprising" over at CE caught me off-guard:
>" We will still be at war and if we forget that they will remind us by killing us in mass quanity."

Bush started this "war", not the Iraqis, not Sadam Hussein. And Bush now admits the hunt for Bin Laden doesn't matter. Where are your priorities?

Raoul was right. Mary Anne was right. You fight 'terrorists" internationally by sharing intelligence and getting the countries police and intelligence agencies to find them and reel them in. After 9/11, we had all countries sympathizing with us. They would have helped us. Now, after Bush stormed a country NO THREAT TO US, and had made a royal mess of it, turned our allies against us, cost us billions of dollars, and has made all of the Islamic world mistrust or despise us, you see this "war" from a whole different perspective than should be seen.

And don't worry about Tech-1. He's still lurking. And he'll probably be back when he pulls his tail out from between his legs. (that conservative one). The only reason your pals post less is because they have LESS to say about how really swell a job GWB is doing these days.

>"HZ has become a liberal pep rally."

Really?? Well, a year ago it was a conservative Muslim eater, vengeful and vehement to go out and start swatting terrorists that might be lurking under Sadam's rug. Bombing the shit of out of Afganistan wasn't enough. YOU were one of the ones who wanted this "war". And now you're whining because we sound like a "liberal pep rally?" How many of us "liberals" dropped off the boards because of your war mongering?

>"HZ seems to be going to hell in a hand basket. I seriously doubt that it will exist as we know it a year from now."

Oh, it will be here allright.
And if Bush gts re-elected, the ball will be back in your court. By then though, if this happens, you can believe that Bush will take us down the road to Armageddon, and we liberals will be screaming at the top of our lungs again........