Whatever. To argue against fantasy counterfactuals requires I rejoin with other fantasies. Then we get into an argument about imagined events. Its like a sandbox argument about 'Spiderman could kick…

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Whatever. To argue against fantasy counterfactuals requires I rejoin with other fantasies. Then we get into an argument about imagined events. Its like a sandbox argument about 'Spiderman could kick…

Davin L. — 12/15/2004 8:42:14 PM (archived)

And at the end of the day, Tom- your arguing fantasy and contingency, and I am pointing out the concrete. Talk about blowing academic gas, or nailing jello to a tree.

Davin L.

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The struggle continues - Fox - 12/15/2004 12:24:22 AM
- Maybe they'll have a "science" fair - jms - 12/19/2004 1:34:03 AM
  - That's a hoot. - Tom Brosz - 12/19/2004 4:31:38 AM
- "struggle?" - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 1:54:38 AM
  - Pumping "sh*t" down childrens'throats? - Lindy - 12/16/2004 3:47:06 PM
    - Gotta admit, I can't disagree with that statement. - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 6:23:52 PM
  - Don't these folks worry about their kids becoming Applewhiteians or Raelians or whatever? - alcaray - 12/16/2004 12:21:22 AM
  - Speaking of education - ebnelson - 12/15/2004 3:46:48 PM
    - I would suggest Bob Jones University is an appropriate choice............. (n/t) - Publius - 12/17/2004 2:28:46 AM
      - Maybe for your kids? - ebnelson - 12/17/2004 10:44:05 PM
  - and to the point - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 3:26:34 PM
    - You ask........ - Publius - 12/17/2004 10:54:24 PM
  - re: "struggle?" - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 1:46:42 PM
    - Jeez that felt good! (n/t) - alcaray - 12/18/2004 1:00:24 AM
      - Probably what they feel like when they listen to Rush or ORiley. - alcaray - 12/18/2004 1:02:08 AM
    - ROTFLMAO - Lindy - 12/16/2004 3:50:07 PM
    - Oh, and PS (and help me out, Fox, Tony, Alcary, Mary Anne- I only have a limited memory) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 2:53:15 PM
      - Add everything that appeared below since I was last here, and I'd say it was well covered. (n/t) - Fox - 12/16/2004 4:38:27 AM
      - re: That countries with borders are sovereign, is a meaningless notion - Raoul - 12/15/2004 10:27:27 PM
      - Only line I'm waiting for now is "Laugh it up hairballs" ;-) (n/t) - Tony - 12/15/2004 9:59:08 PM
        
        Or howabout: "That Space-Alien UFOlogy reasoning tecniques apply to decisions regarding war and national security" (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 11:22:55 PM
      - That slippery slopes only exist for gun control and creeping socialism - Tony - 12/15/2004 8:29:54 PM
        
        That human life begins at conception, despite the underdetermination, and upon that faith-based assertion or opinion, laws should be passed that make everyone act accordingly (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 8:54:19 PM
      - that Republicans are desperate for careers in teaching the humanities, but the liberals won't let them. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/15/2004 6:52:48 PM
        
        LOL!!!! (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 6:58:05 PM
      - re: Oh, and PS - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 6:38:14 PM
        
        You have to expand the scope to the entire "left" over an entire century to match - alcaray\ - 12/15/2004 6:51:29 PM
        
        You think this is just about Bush? - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 7:07:40 PM
        
        I remember talking to someone who asserted that FDR was going to be the end of the world. - Mary Anne - 12/15/2004 9:37:48 PM
        
        It would be interesting to write an alternate history about what would have happened if Roosevelt had not died in 1945. - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 11:33:55 PM
        
        Interesting - but no less a fantasy than all your other lines. (n/t) - LJ - 12/16/2004 12:20:39 AM
        
        Whatever. To argue against fantasy counterfactuals requires I rejoin with other fantasies. Then we get into an argument about imagined events. Its like a sandbox argument about 'Spiderman could kick… - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 8:42:14 PM
        
        Sometimes figuring out what might have been is fantasy. - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 11:58:30 PM
        
        and you are arguing fantasy - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 1:45:04 AM
        
        The boy has had a lot of 10th times lately---perhaps it's the hundredth monkey effect? (n/t) - Publius - 12/17/2004 2:32:55 AM
        
        But I'm right about Iraq and the Gulf War, aren't I? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 1:57:14 AM
        
        What part of: 'not going to indulge in faulty reasoniong' is not clear? (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 3:06:24 PM
        
        Forget it. - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 6:17:15 PM
        
        Its fine with me, Tom, If you 'take your toys and go home' on this one. (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 6:33:23 PM
        
        I think Davis post was about very recent history. And that you are going insanely far afield to match it. (n/t) - alcaray - 12/15/2004 7:39:37 PM
        
        Jeez, Davis who? Sorry Davin! Further, Tom... - alcaray - 12/15/2004 7:41:21 PM
        
        No problem, al. You can call me Davis if you have to... - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 3:45:22 PM
        
        HZone in general: ulktimately the litany of error speaks for itself. You can argue these individually until you are blue in the face, but at some point you have to see that its a hionking huge FORRES… (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 6:57:27 PM
        
        Political argument is like a box of chocolates... - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 8:21:55 PM
        
        But what about 'Tasty Spring Surprise'!? - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 8:32:45 PM
      - You want to take me on on missile defense, you'd better pack a lunch. (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/15/2004 6:33:58 PM
        
        After the abort today, *you'd* better pack a bag . . . - Fox - 12/16/2004 4:35:46 AM
        
        So. Do YOU know what happened? (n/t) - Tom Brosz - 12/16/2004 5:45:54 AM
        
        Not precisely, of course -- but I know what *didn't* happen. - Fox - 12/17/2004 2:44:06 AM
        
        Launch warning - Tom Brosz - 12/17/2004 5:52:28 AM
        
        How'd we get from anti-evolutionists to antimissle systems? - Fox - 12/17/2004 4:16:40 PM
        
        antimissile systems - Tom Brosz - 12/17/2004 5:23:18 PM
        
        Good response - thanks for a clear-headed discussion (n/t) - Fox - 12/18/2004 1:29:33 AM
        
        I do prefer them, on the whole. - Tom Brosz - 12/18/2004 2:45:34 AM
        
        You are painting yourself as the expert, why are you asking Fox? (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 4:54:43 PM
      - LOL! Your memory appears fine to me! - Mary Anne - 12/15/2004 6:19:48 PM
        
        Ah! But wait! theres more! (thanks MA) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 6:55:47 PM
      - Bravo, sir! (n/t) - LJ - 12/15/2004 5:10:20 PM
        
        That Fox News is fair and balanced! (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 5:41:30 PM
        
        That O'Reilly is not a conservative - Tony - 12/15/2004 7:17:08 PM
        
        re: That O'Reilly is not a conservative - gbaikie - 12/15/2004 10:51:21 PM
        
        My god, half baked, your right! (Also called: You MIght Be A Nihilist) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 11:36:38 PM
        
        Move over Jeff Foxworthy - Tony - 12/16/2004 5:04:39 PM
        
        Speaking as a red-neck with taste and sophistication - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 5:20:36 PM
        
        That someone who has spent their entire career ridiculing drug addicts and suggesting Bad Things be done to them should be listened to when it turns out he was a pill-popping Oxytute (n/t) - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 7:28:01 PM
      - Just one thing you missed - Tony - 12/15/2004 3:36:53 PM
        
        Oh, and another: - Davin L. - 12/15/2004 4:19:03 PM
  - re: "the spectre of superstition" - Fox - 12/15/2004 4:33:29 AM
    - re: "the spectre of superstition" - gbaikie - 12/15/2004 8:43:11 AM
      - A link to the first draft of the KS standards document was provided. - Mary Anne - 12/15/2004 2:56:22 PM
        
        re: A link to the first draft of the KS standards document was provided. - gbaikie - 12/15/2004 10:22:30 PM
        
        Full of sound and fury - Mary Anne - 12/16/2004 2:18:35 AM
        
        re: Full of sound and fury - gbaikie - 12/16/2004 4:45:26 AM
        
        Once more, with the html tags corrected - Mary Anne - 12/16/2004 2:26:47 AM
        
        MA, that was one of the best posts I have ever read on the Zone. - Davin L. - 12/16/2004 3:36:48 PM
        
        re: Once more, with the html tags corrected - gbaikie - 12/16/2004 5:02:32 AM

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